Sheesh, Bebop cloning for one is not a kewl thing to do. And yes I remember quite a few times Bebop, under other nicks, did many things to undermine a community that took pride in helping each other and helping each other to grow. I may not post alot in the forums, but I do occassionally read them. As far as the theft of Blackhearted's lights. I remember that istance very well. I have seen that they were damn close to, if not exactly the same as Blackhearted's Proluma lights. I didn't test them officially or anything but I did see both and seen that you got the same illuminations, angles, etc.. for each. Not to mention there have been a few others that either copied or stole BH's works. Ki for instance, while not by bebop, was technically stolen from him. Gabe, as I have seen, has taken loads upon loads of harrassment, cut downs, etc.. and yet he still bites his tounge and rolls as best he can with the punches. Which no member should have to put up with. So, think of all the stuff Gabe has gone through to provide you with superb and close to flawless, as he can get right now, products. As for the Tisa/Bebop banning, for one: This is a community site, while the internet is not fully safe towards the youth of today. Some children do like to see art and try to get into it. Jeweldragon's, and soon to be my, son happened to see some of bebop/tisa's work. While art is in the view of the artist, there is an adult oriented 3D community that is more oriented for those works. We didn't appreciate having Lance ask us about vibrators, transsexuals, etc.. at only 11 years old when Jeweldragon was surfing the galleries and Lance happened to be standing behind her. I know the terms, adult supervision and all. Yet, I also know that nudity can be artistic and tastefully done. Which I have no problems with Lance seeing that. The human body is a vessel of art and mystery. The sooner Lance understands that the better, and less chance of sexual misconduct with teen's when he comes of age. I mean nudity is nudity.. but obscenity is just that obscene. I may be getting a little verbose in this and repeating myself, but in truth thats what I am seeing here now. Bebop keeps coming back, stirring up the same things, and then it's always banned and some ppl going poor bebop, even after seeing her banned for the same stuff again. As for any knock downs against Gabe. I would like to say this. Gabe, you are an excellent artist and friend. You have been one I could BS with, ask for help with this and that, trust in the quality of your work. With me and Jeweldragon, you have some fans of your work and friendship. Even from before Jeweldragon and I got close and fell in love, I was an admirer of your work. Dan