i could not remember where exactly i downloaded the texture .. but a quick search on Google found this link. i tested the zips to see if they were valid .. and they appear to be. Frank also created the Digiman .. that is available in Renderosity's free stuff .. and can be downloaded at Mintworks. http://www.shar3d.com/textures_index.htm hope this helps some .. if i can remember where i originally downloaded Bishop i will post the link. troubleTO