I read as much as I could about the Magazines online, it looks like this is the full version. Which makes sense, since it is version 3 and the current version is 6. It's another move by Calgari to get Truespace into new hands. I think it is only Version 3, I don't see anything about it being version 3SE. I'm going out today, see if I can find one of the mags, see what's up & answer a lot of questions. tjohn, demo's usually go one of two ways; 30 days full, then nothing, or lasts forever with logo mark on render, etc, etc. Personally, I like the latter, since something like Maya is going to take way more than just 30 days to learn, sure having watermarked renders sucks, but at least I can get my hands on it. Nothings perfect, though, lol. But, I agree, any demo NEEDS to allow you to save your files. btw, Maya 4.5 PLE (Personal Learning Edition) is now out/available. AgentSmith

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