hauksdottir, Of course you might also say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it's appreciation dependant on more than just physical attributes. Would Helen of Troy or Penelope be considered beautiful today? Perhaps not. In my opinion, the shallow 'ideals' most of us place on beauty today come from Hollywood rather than Classic Greek statues. To me, the most beautiful of people are those who can see the beauty in others. As I learn more about modelling and morphs I find that the Poser figures are too thin. (Roxanne is, of course, too far the other way.) I've known a couple of girls that are "wasp waisted" and they really weren't that much fun to be around as they didn't seem to have the energy to keep up with me walking or hiking or going off to explore "New Lands". Well, I've gotta go get some presents for friends. geep, I think 38C-26-36 is what I'd consider ideal. but as you probably read above, more to it than that - doncha know. cheers, - TJ