Thanks Michael, Didn't notice the clock was not level, now you have pointed it out it is so obvious, I cringe. thanks for the pointers, I will take all the help I can get. I will take the clock as soon as the battery is charged again (I'v been out all morning'cause the sun was shining) got to sort the photos now. I have the card reader, we have a Jessops over here, and I got it same time as the camera. Many thanks Pat Patmartj