You know the reason i try to avoid some threads is one thing can be said then the next thing world war 3 has started, everyone just jumps to conclusions about what happened what was said and who's pissed off who, usually i don't reply coz it makes no difference trying to explain.....then you get the folks who know a bit about what goes on but only from one source yet presume they know the whole story....then we have phrases like "fight" and "lawyer" .....now please don't read this as a dig against Rena, its not her, statement about our friendship stands from my point of view as well, i'm having a gripe against folks hanging me high by the neck without knowing why....Turtle please don't take this as personal its more a public statement i want to make to a few folks ;o)..."do the models make them selves? ;o) ".....anyway may have made myself look bad here thats up to you to decide (see above statement ;o)....hope ya don't mind me butting in marrow couldn't help myself :o)........Steve