Queri, i understand what your saying but to do that would have been foolish IMHO, how could i have shown one of Vikkis textures soon after losing one of the best poser texturers and shout out loud about it...i'm not saying Vikki isn't good what i'm saying is we can't replace Rena or expect Vikki to produce textures the way Rena did, what we can expect is textures in Vikkis style..not to mention the fact that it would have been insensitive...Now i was in no doubt that Rena leaving would lose us some members, i'd have been foolish to think otherwise, but i was naive (some may call it arrogent) enough to think that folks would realise that we have to move on and the site would work around the situation and pull together to make everything work as well as it did before, like i said we couldn't replace Rena so we haven't tryed, we head in a new direction (for want of a better expression), again i was naive enough to think folks would realise this and see my commitment, but lots just see what they want to see and we end up with threads like this and comments like folks taking sides....Well all i ever wanted to do was make models, i never wanted to end up being in politics and and i hate being piggy in the middle and i certainly don't want to be stressed out with threads like this....Steve