spoke too soon. musta got lucky on the 1st try. i totally regrouped theis guy, and tried it again, but ive realized 1 thing. poser is weird. this time, the "magic" grouping twisted the character around. so once again, i used the heirarchy editor and still, the whacky foot bend... ((by the way, does anyone else need to reload poser before characters appear in the new figures group after having been created thru the heirarchy editor???)