Follow up: You know what? I've been working with these programs for the last 24 hours, tearing my hair out because they're driving me nuts! And I have spent hours on end trying to find tuts for the modeling ignorant. Think they exist for most of the programs? Nah. Most of the people who write these things assume you know what you're doing in the first place. Is knowing what a vertice is or what happens when you "extrude" something supposed to be included in our artistic genes? Give me a break. -The Computer Arts True Space tut is enough to make any 3d newbie throw their puter out the window. Thay say it's easy to learn. I feel like an idiot. -Amapi starter tut at their web page says "Choose the polygon (and what the heck is a polygon???) tool and draw the face of a dragon". Uh huh. If I could draw anything, I'd be trying to figure out Painter right now. Next tut says draw a face. Chuck that. -Impossible to comprehend how the 3D Draw program works. I bagged that after the first hour. - The only really comprehensive tuts for the completely ignorant like me are indeed the ones found at the Wings web site. I managed to created a rather lopsided glass after some time... but at least it looked like something. Guess I'll stick with that program for now. I need a stiff drink and an Advil.