Now I'm not attempting to sell a darn thing. But I have to say that the firefly in 5 has come a long way from thr P4 linear render engine of P4. While in some cases the textures do better in linear (More detail) the FF engine yields better visual effects. Since it's arrival all the images I've posted are all FF renders. including the hacker series. P5 still does some wonky things but, it has become (at least for me) the prefered application to work in. True, first impressions are a killer and CL could ahve done a good deal better, and they have a good deal of damage control to do. But they have come a good distance and thier application is now in a position where it is useable for the avaerage user (I Think) So say what you will, but for myself I have to admit that CL has done a great deal to both fix and stabilize thier application and answer the needs of the poser user. Are there going to be the die hard dislikers? sure, I think those ppl are always a good barometer as to whether you are doing what's right versus good businness. Is there going to be even more "Hype" you bet, that is what the world expects now, if you aren't gonna hype it to death then it isn't any good. whether it is good or not. Marketing tells you you gotta have this, and will keep it up till yu finnaly cave. Personally, I would challenge anyone to look me in the eye and say they are completley and utterly 100000% happy with anything they buy and that every last feature the wonder thing has is deftly and expertly used, and if you had to do it again you'd do it twice because it is that good. Likley, no one could, I know that I would not. There is always something one doesn't like or finds useless, but gets it anyway and finds that for what they got it for, does a good job. In my opinion, P5 is pretty much there, or rather where is should have been for an intial release, it just too bad it took so long to get here.