Lets see... Defragged a couple weeks ago.. fragged hard drives have never given me illegal operation messages.. Haven't done thorough scandisk, but same reasoning there.. I've got the Bryce patch, and I've got a Poser beta patch, not the newest one, as I really don't feel like downloading an 8 meg file with a 24k connection.. Either way, why would both programs not work at the same time if it were due to one or the other's lack of a patch? Mostly, I'm stumped, so I'll probably try the defrag/scandisk, though I shudder at how long that usually takes.. ugh. Thanks for helping, everyone... =) Rosh