Nosfiratu opened this issue on Dec 08, 2002 ยท 132 posts
CyberStretch posted Sun, 08 December 2002 at 1:58 PM
"I can't believe how quickly this degenerated into a complaint about something totally unrelated to the technical aspects of the pictures that were presented."
Where are the references to the "technical aspects of the pictures" in the posts? "I think it speaks for itself ;-)" and "And this one just- well, trumpets Firefly's abilities - no pun! ;-)" constitute a technical discussion?
To me, posting a picture of your product, labeling it as such in the title of the post, and not engaging in any discussion about it infers advertising, not discussion or learning.
"Look at any number of other posts in this forum that show firefly renders and you'll find the same type of comments from people totally unrelated to CL."
You see, that is the difference. If a member "totally unrelated to CL" posts renders, it is different than when a company/Merchant does the same with their own products. "Word of Mouth" is allowed while "Advertising" is not.
"Cyber, quick now, name all the nics of CL employee, I can think of four of the top of my head...all of which took turns posting in the beta..."
Well, DefaultGuy is one. ;0)
The issue is that CL employees should identify themselves as such, people should not have to guess; especially newcomers.
"they only took thankgiving week off...which is where most of the cries of where is CL happened."
In the Beta forum, there were several posts that went unanswered for quite some time, and the answer from CL was that they were "too busy to post"; although copy and pasting SR announcements seems to take less time than copying and pasting "Problem Noted. We are looking into it." regarding bug reports. All the beta testers wanted was a little acknowledgement that they were not testing in vain; and some never even received a "." bookmark from CL, nevermind any comments.
Out of the first 25 (out of 555) posts in the Beta forum, I can only see 5 in which a CL employee that I recognize posted to the thread; out of 19 threads that appear to require technical feedback. That is around a 25% response rate and only the first of 23 pages worth of posts; and this is not even a Holiday Week.
"BTW: Daz is doing the same thing, mostly at PoserPros though."
Different sites, different policies.
As already stated, if you allow CL to promote their products, then the other Merchants/Vendors should be allowed to do the same. Do a search in the FN&TC, Poser, and Product Showcase forums for "advertising" to see some of the historical discussions and decisions by mods/admins on moving/removing "ad posts" and the reason behind the creation of the Product Showcase Forum and Gallery. Just because "they are Poser" and they are site sponsors, should not mean that they can have preferential treatment over other members/Merchants.
Some of the posts, for reference: