And this site is Renderosity which means that malicious behavior is tolerated until good constructive enthusiastic people pull their work or leave. Ironbear and CyberStretch... we know your agendas. You hate CuriousLabs and hate the program. Why don't you stop attacking it at each and every opportunity and go do something useful? As for Anthony not responding... he posted the images after midnight west coast time. I suspect that when he logged on this morning he was pretty darned hurt by the sniping. Why else delete them? So we the people in this forum all lose seeing what other artists do in their precious free time because of a couple of carping mudmouths who have no intention of using the program. Well, those of us who do want to use the software NEED to see what can be done. Carolly