if you are talking about the 2 from RNKarenER...yup...she's got her graphics list groupies voting for her, once again. and...while we are on the subject of graphics lists...how many of you want your pics to be "tubed" in psp, and distributed as freeware on the web...gifs...common domain? i thought so. it's a damned shame that folks like that can get by with soiling our site. but, they do. all i can say is this: the hot 20, if even a popularity contest, is a bit of a contest, after all. i've actually made it a few times...but, that was back a couple of years ago, when, the competition meant something. now, i don't even bother to render for the poser gallery. why should i? folks who cheat tarnish the whole deal, and, make it worthless, in my eyes. i wish the admins would address this. because some of them not only cheat in making the 20, but belong to groups who slice up images made by others...make them transparent...and freely trade them, as if they were their own. and, yeah, if they are posting here, THEY KNOW that that is copyright infringement. now, i just won last month's rhino challenge. i made the rhino hall of fame with my model...you go girl!!! AND, i was the first female to ever win that...most likely, in the modelling forums, a female has not won before, period. that challenge was really important to me. soooo...did i contact all the folks i know at renderosity to vote for me? i could have. it would have been in the "rules". nope. why? because it would not have been fair. i wanted to "win". but, i wanted to be judged by folks who knew a bit about what they were voting for. otherwise, i would not felt like a winner, at all. only a cheater.