Okay, one last clarification for the road and then I'm going to bed. I don't hold the administrators responsible for the actions of the snaggers. That's what I was referring to. Snagging...stealing graphics. But, on second thought, actually, I can't see how you can hold them responsible for what people choose to post. The only way they could be responsibile for that is if they filtered each posting and made an evaluation of its artistic merit. And I bet most of us would really hate that. We are the ones who are posting (those who aren't too good for the galleries) and we are the ones who are viewing. That's not the administrators' fault if the majority of those who vote and view have "bad" taste (an evaluation that is subjective at best). It's our fault if we aren't eeking out the best of the galleries and viewing and voting for them, and encouraging the best out of others on the site. That's it for me. It's my responsibility for getting stuck in one of these endless threads again. I apologize to all of you taking up bandwith beating up this dead horse. Good night all. Hope you have pleasent dreams. Don't dream of mice, which is what I've started doing.