As for the hot 20, either vote or stop complaining<< Actually, I do vote, so I have a right to complain. >>Most of the time folks here are very nice and helpful<< Yes, and those of us that tried to help, were in turn, trolled. Makes you wnder why most of us have stopped helping, doesn't it? >>I would hope friends voted for my images, I cant image my enemies would<< But that should be your goal, no? If your images are so good that your enemies are impressed, then you have accomplished something. I've looked at your images Karen, and you are improving. Hopefully one day all the suggestions I offered will make sense to you.