Billy, the pettiness started only recently, like within the last year or so. At least overtly at any rate. Unfortunately Renderosity has been overrun with a herd of "Me First" people that are bent on ruining what was built out of love for a particular idea, and that is promoting Poser. The newcomers have no idea about the time those of us "oldies" spent trying to make Poser an acceptable tool in the graphics industry. They don't care, either. They just want to make pretty pictures and have their friends oooh and ahhhh over them. Which is fine most of the time as Poser was originally a hobbyist program. Poser has grown beyond a mere hobbyist tool(who can remember using Poser 1 or 2? I can.) When the only models were the ones supplied? We have a huge respository of models and clothes now that far exceed even the programmers vision of Poser. Its TIME Poser was accepted as a professional tool. Karen, no offense, but you haven't got a CLUE about what I am saying. All you have ever been concerned with is what you can get out of it. My agenda is MUCH different. I want to be able to submit my images to Publishers and not have them point out with MUCH hostility that Poser is PORNOGRAPHY. Even if the image is a set of fully clothed models. That is the impressions that PUBLISHERS have are GARNERED from this site. I wish, nay BEG the Admins to do SOMETHING about the HOT 20, so that WHEN these publishers point out that Poser is just for PORNOGRAPHY and POOR QUALITY images, I can refute that and PROVE it is a legitamate TOOL. This Community should NOT be about the least common denominator, but rather it should set the STANDARD about Poser being a fantastic TOOL for graphic artists to use.