Actually, this relative newbie has observed, time and again in recent months, that it's frequently "old timers" who bitch and moan and attack and drag this place down the most. And then there are the upbeat, altruistic ones... I suppose Poser enables cheap homemade pornography. So does the existence of the pencil. Someone ought to do something about that! :-) The fact that this is a rapidly growing free site with minimal TOS restricting content means that the least common denominator will always exist. Perhaps it exists so that those who strive to improve, find insight, create beauty, achieve skills, build portfolios and enjoy Poser will have something to rise above. I deplore the attacks on the admins. It's not their fault that scoundrals exist. Renderosity is under absolutely no obligation to host our images. It's a generous courtesy which is administered very well in my not so humble opinion. I laugh at graphics professionals who scorn Poser, just as I laugh at artists who refuse to paint with acrylics because they're plastic. Media are a means to an end. Poser is what we make it as individuals. The watermelons next door don't spoil my melting watches. :-) Just a few thoughts in response to this overheated thread...