Questor, Well you are correct - however from what a friend of mine has said SR2.1 is back to using just the Serial Number for adding... so with "serial checks" (like they did with Pro Pack Updates) and then a protection against general downloading it might limit some of it. After all, can you find on the warez scene SR3 for Rhino 3? or for that matter the latest Vue 4 update (okay that was released last month - but it took a while). The point of security isn't to stop it (becuase you and I both know you can't) but all a company can do is provent it enough that it causes warez people headaches. IE - getting a new Serial number a new update is released - etc. In regards to dialup... if done correctly there shouldn't be a problem with dailups downloading protected downloads. In fact most programs like getright allow you to include the password and username which will help get the software incase of download stops. I know it isn't a great idea - but I don't really want to see Poser go down the tubes, and am more then willing to suffer copy protection where it isn't going to cause problems to the end-user. But it has to be copy protection that will at least help the software and not hinder it like PACE's system is like (which sucks to put it bluntly). Anyway - hope SR2.1 is working for all you - my friend says Poser 5 is now worth the money he paided for it... Regards WiNC