Remember this thread from the past? I used the same scene I was rendering before for my latest tutorial and was looking at the textures even closer. Back lighting was turned on, on all the leaves. I'm rendering a differnt picture right now but it's almost done. I'm going to reload that scene and pick it apart once and for all and figure out why the backlighting is not working as expected. You can't really tell from that tiny little picture I posted of it up there but the default Vue plants might as well be solid steel because no light what so ever is getting threw the leaves. You can't really tell on my leaves there but you sure notice the lack of effect on the default Vue ones.