Thanks for the kind and helpful comments. I know the reflection needs a lot of work. It used to match a little better but I changed the figure (and her hair) since then and this not being based on 3d modeling, I still have to get the reflection back in sync. The GF suggestion is a very good one, as soon as I get one who can deal with the fact that I have virtually no money and spend nearly all of what little I do have, as well as nearly all my time and energy, on the computer ... (I know the ex-wife didn't care for these tendencies too much.) ;*( Anyway, I hope, when I get Poser, I'll be able to set something up and get a little better feel for the reflection. I didn't quite get the last comment about the 'circle' though. The lower back and especially the buttocks are not fully rendered yet. Maybe that's what you caught? Or do you actually see a circle? Anyway, maybe I'm on the right track. Hope so. Thanks again for your comments.