Those images are great. But I don't think this is the way the "industry" does things. I know all the "tricks" we have to do to get our off the shelf programs to render realistic images. But I don't think the film makers bother with all of that. And are using something much different than anything that's on the public market. I could be wrong. But my gut tells me there are much better rendering engines availabe but aren't being sold for whatever reason. I've seen some really basic objects rendered in movies that look really great with no texturing or shinny materials to make them look real. I feel like we always get the poor man's rendering engine. Reguardless of the price of the program. ScottA