well, said, PJ...wow...could we dream of such a place? errrr...didn't i know you in another renderosity life? a long ago, and far away place? sorry, must have been a dream. but, but, but...in that dream, we did have some great fun verbally trying to rip out one another's vital organs. i shall dream of this place tonight. who know? stranger things have happened...tomorrow i may wake up, check this place and find that it is no longer kansas. oh, and...btw....what is your favorite renderer?