Jaqui scribbled you sticking But what is he sticking to? Is the sticky stuff he's sticking to commercially available or is it still in the testing stages? Does it have general application capabilities or is it designed just for sticking forum members to something and what is the something it's designed to stick people to? and scrawled some more low life sob Hrrm, so what's the difference between sorrow for a low life and sorrow for high life? Is this stating that only low life types can sob? Do high life people not cry/weep/sob or do they have other means of portraying something that apparently is the sole domain of a low life so that they aren't associated with a low life. It's been my experience that high life entities go out of their way to avoid resembling low life entities even though the larger majority of high life entities actually do low life things more often than a low life. Do they have their tear glands removed perhaps? Enquiring minds want to know? Jaqui fell over the space bar cyber stretch And how far can cyber stretch. Cyber is the intro part of the term cybernetics, cyberspace and cybercafe etc.. I've not seen them stretch too far as they all have limits and cyberspace unlike real space doesn't show the reactions to gravity that normal space does, nor does it appear to follow any rational definitions of space because it's actually pretty crowded. And if cyber can't stretch does that mean that inorganic limb replacements containing power cells and nerve/neural interfacing to operate similar to a natural limb wouldn't have the same bending stretching qualities as a normal limb making them no fun on a rack when torturing people? And if a woodchuck was cybered, how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if the woodchuck could chuck wood? Back on topic And finally... this new rule that is used to wield old rules strikes me as a knee jerk reaction to several things that could have easily been avoided if only existing rules were applied evenly across the board for everyone on this place rather than randomly applied unevenly by people who judge things by an internal grading machine rather than site rules utilising eroneous definitions such as "moron factor" and "non-constructive negative" and similar such nonsense, and allow the "all members are equal but some are more equal than others" atmosphere to propogate in the first place. Also, Renderosity management were more than aware of the consequences of closing and deleting the old C&D forum. While that forum was universally ridiculed by large numbers of people it did have the advantage of keeping certain topics comfortably encased within it's walls and having a happy and generous crew available ready to flame/discuss anything into oblivion. Once that forum and it's "tension release" facilities were removed it was predictable that topics previously trapped in there would over-flow to other forums. Creating the OT forum for "discussion" was laughable. Reinstate C&D and use it once again as the general dumping ground of all posts not seen as desirable to have in other forums and things will quieten down to their pre-C&D deletion days. Alternatively burn Curious Labs, Microsoft, NVIAT image makers and AOL at the stake on the Whitehouse Lawn and perhaps a lot of the current "heated debates" will go away and leave the Disneyfication of Renderosity to continue unabated.