I think you are missing the point here Scott, This is not a flame war, it's the simple facts. Yes, there are some places that use renders that have some add-on stuff, but most use the default off the shelf stuff.

It's all in the setup,

You should have a look at some of the sites that sell this stuff and see where they are using it.

Take this simple photo as a example. I think this can be done with most of the ones we have been talking about here.

You can't call it work if you love it... Zen Tambour