Actually I agree about #3 (unless someone turned the hose on her in #4.) But then we've been doing stuff on a single layer for quite some time, so kinda got the hang of that part. Working with the second layer has so many possibilities its going to take a bit of fooling around to see what works. In this instance, as Shademaster suggested, a specific map for the droplets would probably work better than the random static noise map. And I also enthusiastically support the call for a multi-layered Vicky. I looked at what Staale had done with Posette's .obj file and saw the new VT and F lines for the second skin layer, but unfortunately still too mind boggling for me to tackle. And off the top of my head, I dont recall that Staale does work with Vicky. Any takers?