Try here and see how far you can get. http://www.daz3d.com/forums/categories/poser-discussion They are less strict there in that section. Go figure, it ain't their software lol.

And that is the PROBLEM. Compatibility! Why would people invest in Paige if there is no morph packs or one outfit if that creator fails to provide continued support or get vendors onboard for that figure? Look at Genesis. All shapes, morphs, characters and skins built for it can work with each other. WHY? Because the base and rigging is standardized. What point would it be if all of those were standalone figures with no compatibility with each others content and vendors will have to do individual support for all instead of just once off? How hard is this to understand? Seriously.......

Whether you prefer Pauline from Smith Micro or Paige from vendor X wouldn't matter at all.

Really? What if I created outfit is designed for Pauline's rigging and doesn't work on Paige because she has different rigging and breaks the outfit? Are you going to bother to update it for Paige? Oh crap, somebody just released Mariah that has a different rig. Are you going to update your product to support that version as well? What about morph packs? Gonna do it for all or just support the official version? All I am saying, is give vendors a set base to support, a set standard, one that works out of the box, or most will not bother with your platform. Simple as that.

Bigger market maybe...But again, who is going to support that version if it is not official? What if another Pauline shows up that can work in DOS? It is going to be a circus.

__So a person could take Pauline's .obj and start over completely if they wanted to, like she's just a base mesh? They could use the topology that's already present, since it's actually pretty good, and sculpt her in zbrush or whatever, and turn her into a totally new figure that they then UV if they like and rig to their satisfaction, and then sell her as their own creation, that doesn't even require Pauline or Poser 11?

That doesn't seem like that a bad a deal at all, if that's the case.__

It's a terrible idea from a vendors perspective. So tell me, why should vendors support your Pauline over the SM version or somebody elses? Do you see the problem here? There are going to be so many once off versions that will never gain traction or support. You are seriously going to fragment the userbase. What good is 100 versions of Pauline if none of them are compatible with each other? I do not see the benefit of this at all. Please for the love of God, stay away from this idea. It is going to cause mass confusion.

Ah. Well my firefox refuses to display that image lol.

? All I see is hair sets:)

Blackhearted posted at 1:29PM Thu, 26 November 2015 - #4241039

btw what is up with the forum lumping all of my paragraphs together?

Don't ask......This forum is broken in so many ways.

She's a merchant resource, which means that whatever you do with her doesn't have to depend on her official rig or anyone else's modifications.

Yes great for the tinkerer who wants to do all those things. What about the user who wants commercial support, who doesn't want to rig and modify things themselves? They are the majority of this market, and they are getting the short end of the stick here. User gets Poser11, looks for commercial content support for these figures, there isn't because the figure is an MR and if you want something you need to do it yourself. In what world has that idea ever worked in this market and made a figure catch on commercially?

Majority of vendors will gladly say good luck and support something else. And judging by the amount of support I am seeing in the stores, it looks like that motion has already been set. Content is king? Looks like it but only if you do it. Very big mistake to make, and soon you will see why. Even Dawn had more support out of the gate and look what happened to her commercial appeal. It is going to be hard for Pauline to do any better, and certainly not in the condition she was released in. Just being realistic here.

It needs to 'work' out of the box. while its nice that shes open source and people are creating improvements, its guaranteed product death to require multiple prerequisite packages/fixes before someone can use your product.

Yep.....

So then it's the Poser teams fault? Anyways it doesn't matter now. She was released the way she is. It's a real pity because it could have been handled differently. Anyways I just expected more of an effort this time around. There was a lot riding on these new figures.

Vilters? Does your TaulineB bend any better? No, because it is a FBM for a broken base. You guys really failed as testers not picking up these obvious rigging and bend issues but released it anyway. Whatever state the base is in, will filter down to all content based on it, unless somebody specifically releases a fix for it. In my opinion this should be an official fix to ensure standardization. Doing so after a public release is risky, as it could break existing content support if not implemented properly, and that, is the quickest way to end support.

Well she's open source, so anyone can change her rig or her mesh to whatever they want

Why when it should be done right as a standardized platform out of the box? People changing rigging etc to fix issues is going to cause headaches for content compatibility for those that choose to support her.

Well that explains why when we asked to see examples of how she bends, nobody wanted to post examples......Oh well.....Hope they fix that problem.

And actually Zev, it does matter. This is a purely text environment; that means precision of definition and wording is King.

Lol I could have called it Tomato Source and it wouldn't really matter now would it? Genesis won't magically work natively in Poser all because I used a different word. Bottom line, the Dson format is OPEN, doesn't matter what I choose to call it, SM chose not to incorporate it. That is all that matters. How about you focus on that aspect? If you people want to obsess over correct terminology to make you feel better, please go ahead:) Now please, back on topic.