I still use V4 as standard figure she does not look toony like the Genesis Stuff , when I look at the gen Products it reminds me on a Game Intro. I guess this will be the last figure I use if she dies my runtime will be done.

Also I personally think that add ons are unbeatable  in the collections of V4 after all these years , good creators stopped over the years and carefully crafted Outfits are hard to find. for genesis most outfits are skin tight the simple way of clothings so the stuff found for V4 is allot more Versatile.

when a figure comes out it takes years to get a good collection and quality stuff , especially if it has to be some new unique thing and not just a conversion of an older V4 Product for another figure in such a case it is obvious that I might as well use the one I have already for V4.

the Gen figures are not really supported in Poser and if one is into creating own stuff in Poser that offers allot of tools of Creation is also a reason not to make life hard trying to make a DS Product compatible with allot of resulting errors in Poser.

So I just stick on this Figure till the end and don't even bother about the genesis figures as in simple ways almost everything can be achieved and adapted on V4 in Poser to get the best results that not even Genesis will ever reach as its life is to short , resulting to be handled like an environment that you might use once or twice then drop it again.  

I Personally think that every artist can choose amongst all the choices hes Preferred doll or Program for hes creations. no matter if Ds or Poser. It is sort of Industrial envelopment, if one just sticks on hes principals he will not get overwhelmed.

I personally Stick on V4, never tried the genesis Products, sure I also Create Poser products and they sell well ( We are just ghosts in a virtual world ) but I don't mind the development of  other Figures I just Ignore them to avoid a burnout, trying to use em all.

I think every artist has hes own style and should stick on it no matter what doll what Program he she uses to accomplish the creation, all this makes it more versatile more individual.

As an example ! 90 % of what I use I create my self, even if my runtime consists of things other creators made , so why does this happen ? it is because my Ideas should remain Individual not just a Copy. You will wonder why having stuff other artists created in such a case, well the answer is simple ! It is Inspiriting  and it motivates to create own things.

You should not let new things get that close and especially not let it overwhelm you , it would just cause that you stand still and are not able to be creative anymore.

In short terms " Cause A Burnout ) 

@basicwiz , Copy Morphs from came with Poser 2014 as well as this feature just the process to set it up uses time , it is a shrtcut , and it is only for Poser 2014.

for the red Outfit animation I used Morphs like, Bad Elf, Hag, Alice Curvy, GND, Goblin . best for now is to create a costom morph export as Obj then reload to the figure this way you save time filtering out the used dile you whant to use and transfair into the outfit. but as I said it should not be big magic to create a Py button that combines all the commands into one. One step is done , now it is just to take the next step , it would change the way Creators make there oufits , adding allot of posibilities , and they would fit to any shape of the figure without houres of trying to do it manually dile for Dile or even make allot of correction with the paint tool.

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Hmmm...I am missing how this is different than conforming a clothing item to a figure. When I conform an outfit to a figure, which has the utopian morph...and then dial in Utopian on the figure...the clothes follow it.

If the clothes don't have the morph, I use Morphing Clothes. Maybe this saves people who purchased PP2014 from buying morphing clothes?

Actually it does allot more then just add a Cosom Morph into the outfit , it will fallow the Morph , the animation used 4 - 5 costom morphs that are unusual usually not found in the outfit , to make the setup and animation it took 5 Min . the Question is not how does it work , but is it possible to Create a Py that recognizes the changed diles to transfair into the Outfit :)

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Isn't that what superconformers do already?

Superconformers is Limmited on certain Morphs , you get an ammount and not more can be used. It limmits you to use V4 . this feature does not have a Limitation on what Morphs are being used or what figure you are using, it is for any figure that has Morphs and wares clothes. the Point is not on how does it work or with what can I compair it , as you can't compair it with anything that is out there .

the Point is is it Possible for anyone who has the Knoweledge to setup a Py script that is capable to recognize a used dile in the figure , or the changes then transfair these in one Click to the outfit.

as a sample you load a Doll you purchased then in one click the Fallow me will be added Plus any costom morph used right to the Outfit , witch naturally will automaticaly Addapt the Used Outfit to the Figures Form without Pokethrough. you would not need to have any Clothings with unnessesary morphs that makes them to large and cause that Poser cranks , Smaller Files , any Possiple shape will fit all in one click.

Right now you have to first Load the outfit , conform the outfit , apply the Falow Me to the outfit , copy the wished morphs from the pannel of a huuge list to the outfit. so it would be just the shortcut to filter out what diles you have been using on the doll to just copy these , if you where to copy all the morphs from A doll to the outfit for sure it would be to heavy for the Application to handle . a Similar function like Injection Magic has to recognize used diles and filter the unused out .

actually not a big issue , you buy it anyway then go to support , asking for a refound of the difference ! they will refound the difference on the dayly currency basis :) they treat there Customers verry friendly , and are helpfull so there should not be any Problem , well how I experienced it

it they dont then just claim a full refound of the Product , you will se how fast they fix that issue . I got My 20$ back the next day . 

Btw they have Life Chat support just make sure you Use IE else they kick you out well most of the Time

Actually it is fully tolerated and legal to do so
first of all you will not go in direct competition with the
tangible Product as it is just an Image of such.
then considering using a model witch represents
a tangible Product with the logo is not to use for your own
Purposes selling your own brand.

In the case of Cannon it is Profitable for the Industries
will someone use this model in one of He's renders it only would result to free Propaganda of the tangible represented Product.

Industries Like this sample with Cannon spend millions to Advertise there Products
and you can be sure that if they realize that there Brand has been used for a render
without charges they would kiss your Hand.

for example you make a Advertisement using Poser Renders for your own Company
there shows in the background that Camera with the Cannon Brand .... the visual communication effect would be ... in foreground the company as main Advertisement the background will only tell you we use Cannon Products , therefor the brand will not be able to sue you as you only made an supplementary advertisement in your Product and you don't go into direct competition with Cannon

Remember the world is not all Virtual jet

Attached Link: Digital Photographers SLR Kit

I Quote your Question
why are real world things frowned upon in Poser?

they do this in here every day, and are not any better then others
fact is that the Poser creators just don't admit the real facts :)
but they still will do it behind doors ,will there be a confrontation with one 
of the products in the Poser Stores the answer will be , there is still a
slight difference !!!

actually it is not a Complaint , as I mentioned before it is an opinion.
running away or not being able to handle Opinions would not be a solution.
this thread was not created to talk about Politics rather about a moral
Issue also about being able to admit where an Artist got he's Inspiration from.

also to be able to understand if an end-user Renders an image with hes purchase
what consequences might fallow if the Image would have success in another Market.

Also it is known that as soon something might of worked wrong the Homo sapience start to act like hurt animals and Bite, so why not being able to communicate it in a civilized way

Lets make it simple ( For the Apes )
is it an original usable Product or is it inspired by an other Creator meaning just a copy to catch dust on your runtime to avoid uncomfortable consequences

and Btw none of all the users cold admit .... yes it is a inspiration of Velocity
lets try staying on the Point.

Ok now that was sure helpful , concerning registated copyrighted products. now how about unregistrated products containing  a  copyright standart txt doc.

as far as I know the unethic act would be to pretend to be the creator redestributing a unregistrated product under another name , if the one redestributing the product that is not registred  gives credit to the originall creator he actually does not claim rights on those. In this case no Copyright enfragment has taken place 

a litte sample of a copyrighted renderosity TXT doc. 

Ownership Statement:

All of the content in this package was created by *********** Me ********,
and may include derivatives of from me by Renderosity, RDNA and DAZ purchased merchant resources.
It includes also derivates of:

Photos from 3d.sk
My own photos and scans 

 now this is the standart Txt. but does not give any clue from whom what and if it really could be used in media industries or products !! It is to trust the creator not even knowing where the  derivates came from, and could be used as soutch. 

in this case the enduser Product has not been registrated but assumin that only one of it's containings (  derivates  ) is registrated copyright, did the creator witch already contradicted him self in the contracts first line .... made from me .... second line derivitives give the rights on the enduser with no qoncequences by using this product publicly. 

Pretty interesting , then I assume that the creaores in here will have allot of work registring there work :-)  and actually was my first argument that before claiming it a complete creaton of theres it should be done this way , correct me if i am wrong , but if they would do so ,  the the releases could not flood like they do right not , it probably would slow down the publications considerably !!

 then also , well i assume that the creator will have to be able to prove on registring a product that this one is in no case a derrivitive work , is it, then they will have to attatch each written permission to the copyright.

do this also to protect the consumer ( Buyer ) , if not then it would be fraud causing the enduser also to get in troubble by using and publishing renders of derivitive non approved work!! 

well , if the creator really would be as senceare then the prices would rise to the Sky like grafic products that are licenced , there we recognize the licence on the pricing as they are considerably higher and not to compair with poser products.

especially considering that if a Creator has a pricig of 10$ the effective gain would be probably 7$ or 5$ the store gets the rest. 

Sorry that I could not respond to your comments right away , but as said this whole thing had its Purpose , as were working on Projects , and not as interprated from many of you to be able to runn a store At renderosity as an Artist.

In witch I sure whant to thank you all for the usefull informations and Help to resolve Planing issues for our further Site Projects , It was ment to be finding solutions how to support Art  Artists in a more convinent way Solutions to give those a chance who might not have any ( And No Mr Sparky It is not the Dark side ) Rather finding alternatives solutions to be able leading a project into the right direction. Economy needs new ideas and cant stand still. 

this is the way buisness really works Ideas will be provided from People Like you, to be able to achive a new Purpose.

and without knowing you might be one day part of this. changing your own Meaning about the things they once where , call it as you please , But this is evolution. 

as I remember correctly the discussions about V4 WM there where allot of Opinions how to be able to owerride the eula without getting in conflict with copyright , I assume that Daz was more flexible then most other creators concerning Hes Product !!

I am not Dissrespectfull actually just questioning your rooles witch seem pretty Conflicting.

You may not see any modifications  Made, as for you do not approve the changes and condem the Idea already befor it has been made. Confirming a Previous Comment that Ideas to emprove a artistic work  is intolerable causing that new creatores with great ideas have such a hard time to be able to redestribute there creations might give up before they even start! cause of to many questionable rooles that varrie thoughout each interpretation . 

If already the question to get information results as it is resulting in this thread and not even questioning The Answers Is tolerated and interprated as dissrespectfull then it only could be frequented by somone who is Gullable.  

I Mean some do a fine work in here others just make static work , If I get a Prop I expect some features For example I get a DM's Product they look great , but also is related with allot of work if you whant to have the parts to be movable as they are static. so to do so you go to the material room and ripp appart the whole thing save each material as idividual Prop then you reassemble the whole thing make a figure out of it or a new prop Parts can be moved the static is changed to a Functional Prop for animations.

It is a great Emprovement for the Originall figure. but as most in here say you Buy a figure and any changes cant be redestributed even if it is just an addon to improve the thing you actually bought it has to remain the same as it was sold. But if you take a V4 and make a WM out of it you may do so and redestribute the Improvement 

can you Please tell me where is the difference between the two acts of Modification. 

Well MR Sparky I Whant to see you rigg a figure that is composed of Props sticked together and not a single mesh !! It is not a challange the provided modell is rather a joke , it is as if you would take different props set em together with penetrating parts then bone such a figure.

As I said I do not have any Intention to be Part of the Store In here , to make you understand , it is to be able to understand why do in here some make updates Or Improvements  based on Dirivitive works ( Morphs combined then saved as costum for example ) or and allot of Emprovements on Figures Some can be done some not but on the eula and based on your Meanings actually none of these should be approved , is it in here that each just puts rooles based on hes momentary mood.

If you would of read correctly the question was if somone could make Improvements and resell the CR2 witch contains the changes without redestributing the Obj and or the Textures  Just as it has been done many times especially on V2 then On V3, If not then Rooles might of changed again just  in this thread. I am not selling here you are the ones who sell ( Well critique was always the week point of an artist even if it was the trouth. ) I know it is hard to face reallity.   

I think you are fixed on an idea the everyone is a Thief but these are your experiences of Life and not all share the same Opinion. 

good work moriador , could not of done better "Bravo" !!!

In your face for the rest LOL