So f I understand that correctly , If somone sells merchendise to another cauntry the vendor sells on the terms of those ??

If a product is being sold to China Or Russia then the vendor should be avare that hes product can be taken appart and resold. As he by selling to the one in that specific caountry agrees to there terms of use. In this case the eula would only be considered Local by exporting the vendor has to agree to the other cautry's terms.

Now if this is the case Lets talk about saudi .... :-)

If the cauntry specificly Prohibits a product and the Vendor still exports the Product to them he Commmits a smuggling of Illegal product. and could be procecuted by the Cauntry as a Crimminal. so in theory if the grafic or image is being delivered to those by the vendor , then with knowledge he has commited a crime against that specific cauntry , as the law of that cauntry applies by exporting a product.

At least I understand now why this specific Darkside  mentioned by Mrsparky cant be procecuted, if the site is located in a communist cauntry then it must be legal in there inviroment to redestribute the things, as the seller by selling a product to them agreed to there terms !!

Pretty interesting .. so again .... all products sold in the Internet has to fallow the terms in witch they sell there products , same thing with farma Products , the US cant just sell a medecine to another cauntry fallowing there terms the exporter agrees with the caunty's terms by selling to those. 

Now Look at this were already at theft... but actually the creator of this tread asked how or if it is possible to use images from the Internet !!! not stealing them .

but as soon as something might be used from another Image well then it is stolen.

you guys steal great Ideas all the even if you recreate a Jeans for the doll it was not your Invention you just stole anothers Idea.

And well Sparky you must be verry well informed about those Vip Sharing sites hoping you dont fequent em to with the excuse I'm a Undercover Agent as you would be pretty temptated to be one of those sticking arround there .

So I wonder what all this has to do with the question of  Ragtopjohnny he only well the way I understand take a picture comperable with scan and use a fragment of this onto a shirt for models , now what is Ilegal about that .

If it concerns an older user Creator well then it is another discussion I remember all these Treads about WM V4 and all these sencere creatores dicussions how to avoid on the limmit of legality and change V4 and now I'm sure you also are in Posession of a copy in your runtime.

 Ragtopjohnny  would not be a thief as long as he does not pretend that he has been the originall creator of the cutout and gives credit.

Else we could start pretending that each collage made worldwide is an Illegal Handling against Copyright. 

@ Ragtopjohnny  actually it was or is the wrong place to ask sutch a question as for most people in here have lost any commen sence of reality. since the virtuality already has materialized in there world.

@ mrsparky if you take a picture of a tatoo on an arm, who is the originall owner of that digital Item ... the one who made the Picture or the one who has the actuall tatoo ???

Photographs must actually be pretty Illegal as they are just a copy of the originall and redestributed over the whole net. just another change of format ... but strange it belongs to the one who made this Photograph. 

 Would for example Poser whant to add a game engine into there application well tecnically possible and sure would be a great stepp ... but as Creator restricted the Posibilities of usage Prohibiting the usage of there Products for game engines it would not be allowed to make such an emprovement , this is another sample of how much we restrict our Posibilities and all is based on Monney making. Were not making Steps forward Rather Backward ....

so in short terms it is possible to make it but not alowed , Well in our Mind but is it really Law or just what we think it is, or what we pretend it to be for our own Purposes to ripp out others, making them beleive such

 Ragtopjohnny with hes Idea might be a great Artist with great Ideas , and what is happening here , most I read just restricts he's Creativity , with law , with you cant do it , but not many Positive Perpetives to make hes dream come true , rather restricting by loosing all the time for each little byt by asking for Permission, so hes creativity would get lost in writing Letters to avoid any issues to create hes Sculpture.

if every artist in Here would be that sencere about where they get there stuff from as   Ragtopjohnny is there would not be many Products in the store.

2ond..... 

Would it be the case as a Sample!!  Leonardo Paintings ... How many times has it been reproduced , how many times cut appart ... as long as the Signature of the originall Creator remains it is Legal to add a fragment of a Picture of such a Painting into a Modelled Digital Building , else we would Talk again abuot hundreds of sold Products that have been created Ilegally.

We could restrict our selves a little more and Prohibit any Visual Media as each contain Private Images and Proprety of others Etc. This all seems to be a Big Hollywood issue to be able to even sell Hot Air and mostly a restrictive way of US citisents taking away there own creative freedom ( We Call this here building big walls arround our selves ) restricting our own posibilities.

in 2002 the creators where working hand in hand giving advices sharing there things , and now .... each is on its own but also is affecting the quality of Products Greed never was a healthy thing and does not help any Artist to be creative. 

The signature will be automaticly Copyright protected without Registration that is true!

I Repeat Ilegall it is to pretend that you created an Image that another Made. Also the Copyright of Digital Images have not been addapted to the Law it goes under Application's Law( Digital Applications ) not to be confused with Paintings and materialistic copyright.

so as for using fragments of Provided free Images for a Collage on a Texturing would be  a Legal Usage! as Long as your Eula does not pretend that all the contains are made by your self giving credit to the originall creator or if not known giving credit to a Image collection of uhnknown Providers , as Digital Imaging mostly do not have a signature of the originall creator.

It also depends on where you come from as each Cautry handles Copyright in a different way , In swiss it is waay more flexible then In the US witch is rather the case to prevent artists to be creative.

We Here can for example Buy a PS3 change the HD and will not Loose the guarantee. we are allowed to save any digital Product on the Internet , witch is not allowed in the States. It is even Allowed to create a Digital Copy of your Bought DVD's or Music cd's and store them as Backup or for usage on a server.

So to say each has to Consult the regional law about Copyright.

If a Product is offered for Free and is not further Protected it is commen sence that it is a gift . You can cut , in this case an image appart and Make the collage as you wish. 

Actually the things on the Internet that can be downloaded Like Images are free to use.exept it has ben mentioned in another way ... before getting a Image reading the terms of usage , signing a disclamer before downloading , not being able to get the Images without being registred. this is all what the Internet can offer you if you really wanna protect your creations. Otherwise offering a Image without a disclamer in full size just to download would be a misleading offer to be able in a later state to atack somone who used a fragment of the Product. 

Ilegal it is to pretend to be the originall creator of the Image. you would have to give or mention credit for the usage. actually not the Image is copyrighted but the signature of the Creator.

as a sample : A collage is fully Legal to be created , it is already mentioned into the Description Collage = assemblage of different Images not created by my self but reasemled to present another creation , the new signature of that creator is fully Valid, no matter where the Prints or Images came from and have ben cut out to create the Collage. and is comparable with the creation of Textures, for your models. 

If somone does whant to prevent the usage for further comercial use he is obligated to Watermark the Image and this is what watermaks are here for. or the Image has to be presented as Low resolution or small Print so that it would be actually useless for any other Purposes. 

Every copyrighted Product has to be registred in the copyright office. it has to be set into there achives and you will be given a copyright number , serial witch has to be added into the copyrighted Product disclamer. 

Ok where is the Add to cart link ??? 

A new Puzzle !!!

well I just cant wait to see the whole DAZ Crew and hes Dog, on David Letterman's Stupid Human Tricks or Pet tricks Show ( Please Google ), well I Might then spend the money I would of left on Daz Products on all the Popcorn and Beer needed.  

Ok I just got my self Popcorn and Beer.. don't need my TV anymore since I went to visit DAZ today after a While . joining Beth QQQ and all Daz Optimists

Well What a show I go on first page tell ya guys its action , well nothing new since a week so I go to page two then three ... well pretty boring since it is still the same as 5 day's ago, so I decide to go back on first Page .... and woooow new stuff appeared but hell where did the stuff go I saw the first time I enter the Daz New releases , I have to admit the figures well Promos look great at least it is not a frozen Image anymore .. It's Alive ... I naturally Quote kylumi giving me the inspiration with his Dog for extreme situations... back to the Page!!  thinking what news could Daz have on the second page I make my way though to hit the link , oohh boy more new stuff well but the GIS expansion I saw at the beginning disappeared , now where did it go?? .....so after one page after the other no luck! and the New Jeep is also gone ! desperate I search for them. Ok time to restart the browser and start from scratch and jupiii GIS and Jeep are back on front but all the news are gone !!!

there must be a system to all this ... well I mean a mathematical one .... so I do the same as previously ... I solved the Puzzle !!!

I say Popcorn and Beer because I see Newbies creating great sites, Children creating forums and whole working websites with stores
and they do them in a half a day with no glitches,  I even believe that allot of you in here also have experienced how easy 
it is now day's to create a working Website , but a cooperation like daz seems to have more Barking Dogs then Competent Personell

I Just Love Intertainment

Quote - I know the following statement is fact,  because my dog told me.

 

Apparently for years now Daz have been tirelessly working towards destroying their own website infrastructure in an effort to lose infinite amounts of cash, credibility and the respect loyal Daz customers. The Daz hierarchy have reportedly been conspiring to inject viruses and malware into all their exe.files in a concentrated effort to attain customer’s personal data which they could then programme into a purpose built mainframe computer. This information would allow them to pinpoint each members domicile and using their latest technology, a “laser guided memory extraction JavaScript tabulator”, would give them full mind control of around one million people.

For years, governments agents from around the world have been monitoring the Daz situation, but until recently never found any conclusive evidence of wrongdoing.

However, in an Animal Research Laboratory located somewhere in South Wales an undercover agent discovered that sheep were being implanted with a sinister zip.file virus.  Yet, again another Daz master plan!!  It has been reported that as soon as one of these sheep came into contact with a Daz member the virus would activate automatically and infected spores would be released into the air via the sheep’s backside. The victims would then unknowingly inhale the spores and thus become infected themselves. Victims are completely oblivious to the fact they carry the virus, It only becomes transparent that something is seriously wrong when they try to start-up Daz software……..It crashes, content goes missing and plug-ins will not work, etc, etc.  The after effects of the virus are even more terrifying, victims have been known to enter forums and randomly denounce Daz as being incompetent and uncaring……..all, just as the Daz3D company had planned!

 

I also have solid proof that a large rocket ship [built by Daz3D] will be launched from somewhere in Utah and its destination will be Mars. They intend to colonize the planets spreading chaos and devastation in their wake!!!

 

If I hear anymore I will be sure to update you guys.

rsquo;s backside. The victims would then unknowingly inhale the spores and thus become infected themselves. Victims are completely oblivious to the fact they carry the virus, It only becomes transparent that something is seriously wrong when they try to start-up Daz software =========================================================== 

Boooy I think you need serious Help ..... or start to write Storry Books . this happens when sombody looses sence of reality spending to much time in virtuality. if this is your way or interpration of what you read in this thread , then your sence of understanding is pretty screwed up , and dont bring the excuse that it is a cause of google translator cos you dont speek english.

But also a good way to hide the trouth by misleading the things with ridicoulous arguments.

I think as long the Installers install the stuff it does not matter if somone gets information , they do this all over anyway , you already registrated by only visiting a site ( what do they wanna do with all these infos over the world anyway ) seem that people that spend to much time on a computer gets slightly Paranoid. 

BTW:

the issue with opening different Pages on the DAZ intallers ... Round Type with Z Logo also happen to me. what was mentioned erlier from the user did not seem to be an accusement but rather a discovery ... well the computer does not seem to have taken  any damadge :-) 

Quote - A license is a contract, which falls under civil, not criminal law, which is what ex post facto legislation involves.  The DAZ EULA (which has not changed recently AFAIK) spells out what derivative works of theor copyrighted products are allowed and what can be done with them, and they have given an opinion as to what is permisible as far as sharing rigging goes.  Based on your comments, for your own protection I suggest you consult with an attorney in your country for advice if any aspects of DAZ' license are unclear...

Fact is that the DAZ Eula prohibits anything exept usage of Rendering. Fact is also that any who will resell an addon Product modefiing the Mesh has to be done with agrement of DAZ , the figure could in theory only be used in her his original state to create renders. that is the DAZ Eula in short terms .

International Law requires Translation of contracts DAZ does not offer that feature, in each cauntry there would be the need of a representant for the Product to make it Legal.

Any Vendor who have created Clothings addons Morphs etc would have to be given by daz a legal written Permission to use and resell direct related Products EX. Morphs integrated into the Mesh ! witch would as soon signed by Daz, give the full right to the one reselling of parts of the figure.

as for it has been done since Five years without any explict Permissions from DAZ throughout the vendors, in Knowelege and with support from DAZ,makes it  an Unwritten Contract to be able to do it anyway. DAZ Broke hes own Laws and contract and cant come now Saying that anybody did anything against he's eula.

As mentioned before any changes modificatons Injectable morphs or coordinates made from third Person are not propriety of DAZ ( They are not under hes contract ) even if the purpose of usage is a Figure he Provided.

using for example crossdresser to modefie or INJ morphs will recreate the Mesh In low Medium or High res save a new Obj file and remap the figure. means that these will not be comparable to the Originally used Mesh.

to conclude this my meaning would be that DAZ offers the millenium figure onto the free market to Improve he her ( Not locking her into a cage as hes little Trophy )even doh that it might of been a copy of dan farr and he's wife. He could aprofite as well. the ones who provide new ideas to Improve the mesh could keep her in buisness. he would not even lose the status of being the creator of the originall mesh ! this way the stores even Hes store could approfite of new posibilities of products to be sold.the way it goes now he only restricts him self and others ( calling that GOD complex ) but is not rational, buisnessman should think as such. 

well they would have to prove the digital infragment the creator has to be able to give proof that he actually created the redestributed file , but he dident as the script will totally differ from hes, there will be no match and he cant pretend that he made the creation you did, he only provided the possibilitie to create it and even claimed it as such when sold. If it would be as easy then the Internet would not exist anymore immagine if somone would start to say the sold packs consist of copywrited stuff , each Creator would have to be able to give proof of where the stuff came from, and could they ?? as long as you dont try to resell the Millenium figure in its current state you are on the right path like most of the things that have been created and sold throughout the stores.

if one day one stands in front of your house and will say ... I have copyright on that stone brick in your wall , you have to remove it as I did not give you the permission to build it into your wall ... you also have no right to resell that house !! would that not be a little paradox. 

also if costumers would be blocked on using there files as they where sold to be able to show an own creativity and as base to create there own, they could clame there money back as it would be fraud. 

I can give you another sample for fully legal Copywriting , you create a Digital building witch you need to texture , so you google for textures Images or even you go and take detailed Pictures of doors windows etc. in first hand you have to inform the owner get a written permission, inform the originall owner that you will use this Picture im Public and even resell it this permission has to be added in your copyrightstatement each detail of added things have to be added in your copyrightform inclusive the names of the providers , the date the Place the Person.

Now somone should give me a sample of how many products in this store or the Daz store can provide such a legal statement on there product, would we go traight twoards the legal procedure of copyright over 90 percent of sold items would have to be taken down from the stores, they would have to go through a longtime procedure to be approved and most would not even pass the requirements , prices would raise to heaven, and no hobbiist could afford any figures.

my conclusion is that DAZ statement is a big Bluff on hes own thoughts about Legal copyright just to be able to controll this market restricting other great creatores. threatning and fear always was a great weapon but it is not the throuth it is only a way to make Buisness for own Purposes. 

Well in the Law it is so as soon as you bought this file it is free for your usage a lifetime, even if the owner prohibits the redestribution of the original file it does not mean that it could not be modefied. as soon as you make changes on a digital Item , in this case it is the purpose to do so as the figures where created on this Base, the creator will loose part rights on it. In the law of products that are provided to make your own creations it is so that you buy the copyrighted necessary stuff .. example you buy Fabric to create your clothes the fabric is copyright protected , but as soon as you modefie the fabric and make a shirt ot of it the shirt and the fabric is under your copyright as you got only the material to create a new product.

then to be able to partly copyright protect a product you have to go through copyrightoffice and registrate your work depending on the product you have to give proof that you own the whole product in our case model creations it has to be proven even if it is a texture Skin who provided the skin , who's skin is it and it has to be given credit to the one who originally provided the skin , especially if it is based on a picture of a human organic skin if not ig would go under Privacy invasion of the originall skin provider.

the figure provided from DAZ is only a base to be able to create your own like a child box of parts to glue together as soon as you saved your own CR2 in a new form it is legally fully in possesion of the new creator and he can do whateve he whants with it.

Any programm provides you with simple Meshes to be able to create your own you use it to create a new thing you sell it as your own creation even that that part consitst of copyrightprotected parts !!!

Maya provided a Scifi Motocycle as a learning Programm this modell has been modefied several times some slight changes a little morph here and there , this modefied modell can be found here in DAZ store and also in other stores and it is Legaly protected by the new creator as long as it has not been changed again by an other one.

the material provided for grafic programms are ment to be to create your own like material to build your own house not more and not less, like copyrightprotected paint you buy to make your own paintings  

Well I dont think that Daz will sue anybody , as I said in theory it is the same thing as creating a Clothing , or adding the Millenium morph to those and sell them, if he sues a vendor for creating Clothings for a Wm or creating  script injecting Wm zones into the Figure even redestribute a WM CR2 he might as well sue all the Previous Millenium addons , allot of vendors use Daz Morphs save them as new Geometrie file , combined morphs and then resell them as there own isent that copyright infragment ? as we all know it was never the question to redestribute a Millenium CR2 with new integrated Morphs or being remapped it always was approved from DAZ you sure will find some in this store, forbidden was to redestribute any OBJ files.

Morphs and joint zones are symply nummbers , coordinates, who the hell would wanna copyright nummbers or coordinates witch are infinitly avaible. 

then saving any figure or prop will change the whole script and will not be combareable with the originall witch makes each unique , with an exeption of the OBJ file or the texture files that are naturally copyright protected. 

the changes in a PZ2 Cr2 are mostly a callup script with each its own coordinates with exeption if you integrate the geometrie into them.

So if DAZ changed hes mind about hes figure he had to do it a long time ago, forbitting any changes of CR2 changes or modifications. so why is he doing it now ?

Majority concerning "shvrdavid" Comments

After going through this thread carefully , it seems that everything ever made for
The millennium figures would be a copyright en-fragment as for Daz pretending
using any morph, Bones joint zones. .. any information from one of Hes figures would be
copyright en-fragment .. so may I ask, how are the clothings made, where do the informations
come from to add any adaptable morphs or joint zones .. I would say that he would pretend that even a
morph name that is transfered to a clothing would be illegal to use.
Well for hes own purposes.
If it is true what I have read in this forum then 80 percent of all V4 ad-dons would be
stolen and Illegal meaning that every costumer would have the right of a refund
of buys ever since, from any Poser content Store.

I do not assume, like pretended Before that any creator is willing to go to Daz Begging for permission
and have them check there files to be approved , that would seem like a Daz Dictatorship on
how to handle Poser content for hes own Benefits over all creations.
Well we are all little sheep's and believe when one say's this is Law and this is Copyright ... Do We?
if so then there would of never been any clothings and addons for V4 or M4 as any change on a original Figure
would be Copyright In-fragment without a Written Permission.

Since DS4 came out Daz is distancing him self from Poser but still wants the Poser Content to be
compatible with DS4 as DS would be nothing without Poser ! in the opposite way he would not give any Compatibility
all for hes own Profits.

It is not up to Daz do decide over the Poser Market how to make content for the Figures ... as they need the joint parameters
to work on the figure else they would be useless so do the morphs to be able to adapt the clothings. to say it again ,
each clothing part uses this method and would be Illegally produced they would have to be removed from the stores!!
and buyers would have to get there money back.

This weight mapping storry is only an abuse sides DAZ as he knows that the content of Poser would not be Compatible with DS4
once weight Mapped !! Well he is a Business Man , and what do Businessman do ?
Hes expectations of creating incompatible things in DS4 for Poser but Poser has to give Comp ability throughout DS4
well until hes plan of burying Poser is reached.

At the end it is up to the Creators if they wanna give belief on all these Pretending of Copyright also supporting DAZ
to reach hes own purposes.

So why is it such an issue for Weight mapping figure cocerning Copyright?
Why is it not for clothings and Morphs?