I think I just found a workaround to run reality, just not sure how I got it to run ! Did so many changes that I have to figure out now witch of them it was, or what combination. Well at least it is possible as that render engine is great for Poser.

I am still trying to figure out a method like the solution above for "Reality" to be working again !  The above original Flash version fixes many older apps that depend on Flash but it does not work for Reality and I have not figured out why that is, until now . 

As for of those that run Poser 11.2 it sure is an option having the library without Flash but since Bondware broke the Python engine for most Pythons on there update after the original release of the Smith micro versions it might be still good having a working PP 2014 or 2012, at least for the ones who depend on Pythons or are in Possession of older bought packages that have python helpers in there setups. 

Anyway if someone might have a good solution based on the above method using older Flash versions making also Reality work again it sure would be a great thing to have.

There is a Flash version that will enable the old Library in Poser Pro 2012 and  Poser Pro 2014 , actually Poser 9 and 10 if you prefer using it instead of the external Air version

Tested and running on my Win 10 21h2 version. Make sure to remove any older flash versions, actually they should be already off on most systems . Working flash version is V.11.2.202.235

you can use the Working flash version I uploaded and give it a shot ... if it works for you you might be doing a happy dance. Make sure to disable automatic updates after Install, you will be asked !

Download Working Flash Here

hopefully you made the payment via Pay Pal , there you could go to resolution center getting the issue solved very fast. Opening a dispute forces the seller to act fast and the payment gets locked on there account until resolved. Not good for the vendor if they do not resolve the problem as they risk getting a account lock . and if you are not happy with the product and service you can ask a full refund. Personally i always use Pay Pal if the option is offered making life easy.

Really not normal that it takes them almost 5 day's to resolve your Problem as they already get the money before offering the service! Not the first time to hear about such support issues from Renderosity!

Rhia474 posted at 4:24 PM Tue, 28 June 2022 - #4440491

And this has been a feature of Poser since the SM days.

In one hand I have to give you right as if one started how could it be possible to stop it , same with war's if one starts it cant be stopped over generations with the same old excuse that the one before started t all, justifying an act by blaming the one that started off with it. Humans are doomed as they are not able to learn on mistakes, making them even worse with the excuse ( He started with it  ) .

Btw: SM was more flexible with the license system so cant blame them.

randym77 posted at 12:16 PM Tue, 28 June 2022 - #4440485

Poser 11 has always done this, but you used to be able to get it turned off if you contacted SmithMicro.

That is no longer the case. I believe the limit is 9 days. If Poser can't make contact with the mothership for 9 days, it stops working. Bondware might be able to give you a longer grace period, but you can no longer disable this "feature."

I hate it. But I think it's here to stay. Not because it's effective against piracy, but because they want Poser connected to the Internet to make shopping at Renderosity easier. E-On did that with Vue. It didn't end well. And now they're subscription only. :-P

Not really effective against Piracy as if they would want to pirate it it would be Pirated for sure, but I guess there is no interest to Pirate poser any further ! It is rather very effective to loose honest poser users not expanding it any further , dropping it and jump to other 3d applications. This system is actually a real farce and damaging the whole Poser County, rather to to any good. I would not even upgrade if it were for free as long as there is a random activation system. The damage has already been done after the Forced shut down of the Smith micro version 11.1 removing the offline activation by renderosity as well the permanent versions. Users do not like such aggressive marketing methods turning there back on such in silence. You only get trust if you are able giving trust !

LOL ! This explains everything, sending my apologies for the rudeness. Yes it seems you are working already over a decade on a Project, could go into history as it over last many members and creators. In the other hand lets see this little conversation on the positive side as a motivating kick. Critique is often more help full  then slimy compliments from member that just cant wait getting hands on all this work . Realizing when a creator asks for help they come in crowds mostly with no Knowledge just to get hand on a copy of the mesh. mostly the creator is left alone with a creation no matter how complicated it might get . 

There is a good chance that Orion will get support as it will beat the I'homme morph by any means ( that model is a pure chaos ) and just existing because there in no other standalone male release. You as Creator just need to give little support by releasing small upgrades on regular base this trick keeps it alive awakening big interest on users. So my guess is if your model is having good smooth bending I'homme would be past very fast. Creators want to earn for there work and if your model is promising they sure will go for it. Remember, Mavka jumped out of nowhere ending up as a hysterical runn even that it was just basic unperfect but cute. The longer the creator gives little support the longer it will last, the longer it lasts the indispensable it will be in the Poser runtime. So you should go ahead and beat that Homme disaster :)

I tried to place a comment on the 

Lucas - original male figure project for PP2012

But sadly it is closed. After taking some time going through this large thread that sure almost seemed to be a game changer at the time, I must say Lucas looked way better then Orion ( Personal opinion )  So why have you stopped ? It could sure of been the head start to clear a good path for Orion and further great creations of yours. But all seems to end unfinished with allot of excitements, Still a big respect for your work even if shots are rather restricted. Right now it just seems to be repetitive, two threads, almost the same with big ideas and promising figures even the comment structure seems to be repetitive. Would be really nice if this Orion project is not just a repetition of Lucas :) 

Sorry for the Konfusion about your creations I should of been more detailed ! I was not talking about Brad I rather meant "Lucas" but still do not recall the name of your female project. ok it was not back in 2014 it was back in 2012 . these also looked promising but sadly just got forgotten!

AmbientShade posted at 8:23 PM Tue, 21 June 2022 - #4440173

Cascade777 posted at 6:03 PM Tue, 21 June 2022 - #4440169

Ok! I will try not to be rude. But this project seems to be just to get allot of attention over almost a Decade now. With no real results, I do not recall the names of the first two that were at the time of V3 ( I think , not sure ) and never gotten published. Was it back in 2014 of before ? Well these are the fallowing but I do not believe that they ever going to be Public just like the Previous projects. Sure one can get a load of attention but honestly if it is just a tease it could cause to block other good projects that really end up for public . It probably already happen , as I recall that there were other ideas in the past and people were shouting that the Orions are soon coming and others projects are not welcome !

So your mood seems rather to be based on a lack of attention but not really a plan to get this or the last project done.

I can understand that reaction. It's to be expected and I probably deserve at least some of it. But that's not the case.

For one thing I never started this project to try competing with anyone else's projects or to divert attention from them. I created it because I wanted a set of figures that no one else seemed to be inclined to create. I could just take an existing figure and modify it to whatever I wanted, and I've done that with some of them to an extent, but for all that trouble I might as well just build m own, so that's what I did. Poser is big enough there is room for plenty of people to create their own figures.

Building a figure like this is a ton of work. It's not like building a figure for a game engine or even blender which are usually mostly quad, simplistic meshes built for a single character and purpose. There's a lot more involved in designing the geometry and rigging for a Poser figure so that it can handle everything that's expected of it. The mesh and rigging has to go through countless iterations in order to achieve a semi-believable versatile figure that doesn't rely on 1,000+ JCMs in order to pose properly. Most figures are built by a team of people who are each experienced in their area (one for modeling, one for rigging, one for texture work, etc.), and even then it can still take years to complete. This project has been just me, 99% of the time. I have had a couple folks help me here and there, mostly with questions on how to do this or that, critiques on what looks right and what doesn't, a couple gave me some useful tools and resources (which are greatly appreciated) but beyond that it's just been me. Along the way I've had to refine my knowledge of anatomy and geometric design and try to apply it to my figure design. I've had to work out ways of doing certain things and dig through countless forum archives looking for information when I couldn't find anyone to answer it directly. And all that along side juggling a full time job and various other life events.

To give you an idea of just how much work has gone into developing Orion, here's a screencap of his current runtime: 

Each of those is a different iteration of him. And each folder has just as many. And that's just the current archive from the last 2 years. It's nearly 10gb. I had to move the older archive to an external drive because it was taking up too much space and they were versions of him that are so far removed from the current version it wasn't necessary to keep them close by but I didn't want to just toss them either.

Add to that Poser's rigging tools and random glitches can be more than a little frustrating at times. Then there's the community that can be... more than critical... of any figure that anyone creates, to put it mildly, or simply ignores it because it doesn't live up to whatever set of arbitrary requirements a handful of people throw at it (two Poser figures sitting in the store right now, have been for at lease a year, no one has bothered making any content for, or even uses them in renders that I've seen). So that can be a bit discouraging to those of us who do want to create new figures. And I didn't want to just add another generic 3D doll to the pile. It needs to be appealing and modern enough for people to want to use, otherwise what's the point? Well that takes design and planning. Add to that the curse of my perfectionist's disease.

When I shelved this project last year, La Femme and L'Homme were new in the store and everyone was clamoring for them. I was also working full time and didn't have a lot of time to devote to it and didn't want to keep people waiting on something that I didn't have an end date in sight for. So I thought at the time it would be better to focus my limited time on building add-ons for them instead, which I did some of but even that was hindered due to work and other life issues. Then my PC took a nose-dive and that took a while for me to rebuild and get running again. This is the 2nd full PC rebuild I've had to do since this project first started (this last time was the motherboard, which I had to replace twice because the first one was defective and only lasted about 3 or 4 months. Thankfully I didn't lose any of my files).

Also, several people have confused Orion with an older project/figure named Brad. I personally don't know anything about Brad and had nothing to do with its creation or creators. 

So no, my intention has never been just attention seeking. I don't see the point of that. This thread is intended to show a sort of journey of creating a figure for Poser and what is possible, along with garnering enough interest for it to be worth doing. Poser is capable of more than people think it is in regards to figure development, even with it's glitches and quirks.

Sorry not my intention hurting any feelings. The Idea is nice having new figures and new options for Poser , sure is nice to see that there are still some working on new improved models. My opinion is, if the purpose is to expand the Poser versatility of dolls then a release does not need to be fullended, it does not need to be perfect. To increase the interest it should be released in chunks . Regular updates and improvements this might also help getting groups of people working on the model finding experts for texturing, rigging etc. Updates and upgrades would need to be regular  awakening a large interest on a new model, every update would need to be a little woow. 

Poser creators always make the same mistake with there dolls, try taking a chunk on how Victoria got big, especially if you are alone trying to get a success with a new Project. "Evolution" could of been a great Doll having great success, but it stops just because there is no update that could wake up the interests of users, the woow effect gets lost !

So from what I am reading your doll might have a chance for some success using the method of imperfection, the price will be the same today as it will be tomorrow and you might get on the winner's side. 

Ok! I will try not to be rude. But this project seems to be just to get allot of attention over almost a Decade now. With no real results, I do not recall the names of the first two that were at the time of V3 ( I think , not sure ) and never gotten published. Was it back in 2014 of before ? Well these are the fallowing but I do not believe that they ever going to be Public just like the Previous projects. Sure one can get a load of attention but honestly if it is just a tease it could cause to block other good projects that really end up for public . It probably already happen , as I recall that there were other ideas in the past and people were shouting that the Orions are soon coming and others projects are not welcome !

So your mood seems rather to be based on a lack of attention but not really a plan to get this or the last project done.

Yes there is ! the disappointing part is that it was a plan to publish such a feature a few years ago in the forums. Matter of fact is that some Forum members disliked the idea and started to flame in these threads causing the ones who had the possibilities and knowledge to get banned from renderosity. Guess it was a fear of concurrence, so with the ones who would of already had working bridges between Poser and Blender all vanished with them, so the possibilities expanding Poser to a higher level. I do not believe that the remains of Poser experts would be able to build such a bridge, there Knowledge is to limited and if one would try bringing it back again the same would occur  like it already happen before !

From what I know there would even of been the possibilities changing older models with that bridge into wm with just a few clicks the possibilities of models would of been just out of your imagination for poser , might of even caused to raise poser over DS after many years. Irony is that some just dislike such ideas leaving these forums with Hobbyist that make big Bla Bla and allot of hot Air.     

Having Poser 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 pro, Pro 2012, Pro 2014 and 11 all working just great and Stable on win 7 and win 10 . all are still in use due the need of different Pythons and addon. Poser 4 render engine can also be useful for certain render results. Poser 4 - 6 are running Portable 7-11 are installed in sequence latest 11 directly in the C root in a Poser Folder. Not in the C program folder as this is causing big issues, original runtimes are set to be in the Poser program folder and not in the Own data Root, this method also ensures that the Installs can be kept Portable without any further issues and conflicts with further Libraries and Python collections that are individually made for the Poser versions. If you still want to use Flash library you need an older flash version and IE with Flash that should make the trick else using the Air Floating version less complicated solution. 

Yes it will run just fine under Win7 ....

There is nothing wrong about having to pay for Poser. I personally have a big issue with the activation system ( Every 7th day )  causing that allot of Poser users stopped using it! Trust gets lost due the fact if Bondware decides to shut down you loose all your investments, but this is only one part of the issue the second one is like many members experienced that got banned from renderosity through the Forums and with this lost thousand of dollars worth models and the access with Poser to there purchases. In some cases even to run Poser . This just because Renderosity think if they do not like the customer they just shut em off stealing all there Investments made over Decades . A thing that usually only happens on "fraudulent sites".  

So People need to be careful before starting investing into Poser through Renderosity due the mentioned above Facts. I personally would not Invest any further into Poser as long as this it is handled the way it is now , may be when this Kill switch is removed i would consider to support poser again and risk a buy .