Well said Gerhard

Great collage Misha!

where are the c's????? c,c,c,c, ah here it is,,,, con ver sa tion... ahhhhh. dang, so many syllabals.. Ricky. For shame. You mean to tell me, in your years as an attorney, you've never attempted to muddy the waters in cross examination????? Now do you think any of these members would believe that one. And my clarification wasnt incorrect sweety. Just "misunderstood" by you.... Frank is okay. He still has one left......, it just has more room then before... And you did do some water muddying in here too dear. Its not your fault. A genetic defect found in most lawyers. Thats why they get the big bucks. Michelle and dead horses? Oh oh, I think I missed that one!! Half naked women with their hands down their pants??!! Geez, I missed those too??!!

I'm sure you have friends ricky. even i have friends. well franks a little pissed at me, but they did say they could sew it back on, so i dont know what he's gettin so excited about.... geez.

yeah people! and im difusing a bomb here, er, ah well, was difusing a bomb here. Hey frank, you okay?

sigh,,,,,,,,,, all i have is a funk and wagnel's. anyone got a webster handy????

and your point is????? Man, i got tired reading that. I'm just a dumb cop. try to keep your responses as monosylabic as possible......... where's my dictionary dont take a joke too far....

Now I would like to make a general comment about this thread. I'm impressed as hell at the arguments expressed by both sides. Well done. Everyone has pretty much spoke their thoughts in an intelligent form, good arguments made, well behaved and well articulated responses all around. this is a great site.

good response ricky, but you missed the intent of my comment. Your talking to a forensic investigator and a vet at that. I'm well aware of the differences, i've worked enough homicides and i've been to almost 1500 autopsies and that number keeps climbing. just making a bit of trivia as to the autoerotic part. like i said, it doesnt matter the intent, its the brains reaction to it is all im saying.

this is for ricky. clarification: the part about erection during strangulation still falls under autoerotic. i've investigated homicides and suicides where the person had an erection. its the minds near death experience that releases the hormones, regardless of the situation. Just thought i'd add me experteeeese

Well I'm starting to wonder here. The point of erect nipples has been brought up and is very valid. And these are on live models. The picture in question was one of a statue, and of a religious one at that. Now I didnt get a chance to see this image and I think as a participating artist here, I had a right to see it and to evaluate it myself along with others. You know, censorship can start small, but then when it becomes lopsided, as noted here, then it must grow to encompass the things mentioned. "All things being fair", would be the argument I think. In chosing to remove this picture I think the governing body didnt look at it properly. Was it a sexual act? Was it a living person with an erection? Was it in a cheap hotel room? A public statue!!! You're trying to censor something which exists in public. Will you tell the people of renderosity not to go visit the statue? I agree, standards should be kept. I think we all know the effects of censorship and its historical reprocussions. Plato and others were the victims of censorship. Question: Misha, you've mentioned that the artist was notified, and the situation explained, what was his response? Is he still posting? I for one would leave if what I thought was art had been removed. Was he upset? Did you give him opportunity to reason his decision to post that picture? A small group determining the morality of the whole can be a burden, however, I think sometimes, the question should have been put to the whole first. I for one would have liked an opportunity to see the image and have a vote. Ricky, I agree, some erections are different. Nipples get erect for a lot of reasons, including mens. However, if thats the case, why photograph them that way, or render them hard as I've seen in some of the artwork? Why not wait until the nipple relaxes? Because it enhances the breast, gives it that extra aura of erotisism dont you think? Anyway, I'd still like to know what the artist thought.

Okay, he stole the best ones.... dont take it there anymore. as for discipline, well patience and discipline go hand in hand. Hmmmm, you sound like a prime candidate for a 35mm all right. Gotta love those soft caramel middles...

Oh man raven. Even the ones with the soft caramel middle?

life is like a box of chocolates. you never know what you're gonna get. Unless you cruelly rip out a darkroom and replace it with an outdoor kitchen! What the heck is an outdoor kitchen anyway? And whats wrong with an indoor one? You'll have to forgive me, but there are so few darkrooms remaining in this world. Sigh.

An outdoor kitchen,...sob, weep, whimper....... oh the horror of it all. the universe is so changed.