Quote - We are disucssing DAZ's total number of users.

No, you are discussing DAZ users, I was talking about registered members. There is a difference.

Anyone can pull a number out of the air for users, there is a record of current registered members.

All the best.

LROG

That wasnt a reply to you. That was a reply to sgbryan.

Quote - > Quote - Yes Pagan..over a Million USERS. Users are those using their software.. members are another thing, since you can DL and use the software, but not have to register on DAZ3D. In the scheme of things, does this actually matter? If nitpicking every word they say to help get out some sort of self-invented truth makes you feel better, then fine, but at least stop twisting the "truth" to suit you.

And as far as this being some attack on Poser users, no.. I am one. This is a clarification of facts only, as watching someone call DAZ3D a liar every other post is getting old. Especially since in his own post he said users, but then twisted the meaning.

A million users?  Really?  Vendor sales don't seem to support that number.  I have seen way too many posts from vendors that talk of sales in the low hundreds.

We are disucssing DAZ's total number of users.... not what percentage there are of active users.

And just because the average PA's sales are not indicative of that large of a userbase, doesn't mean there AREN'T circumstances where some have way higher sales. Would I say sales in the millions? No. But its neither here nor there.

We are discussing the total number of people here, tho.... not whittling it down to who's actually active, who's actually buying, who hasn't died since downloading, moved on, etc etc. Obviously, there would be no way to know for certain exactly how many are actually USING DAZ by DAZ. There are far too many variables to consider, and far too few ways for DAZ to accurately have access to that info and know

@ Fonpaolo - sorry, the hate thing wasnt aimed at you in specific. It was in general.

Fonopalo -- yes, that could be the case. My whole point is... why does it even matter? How is it relevant to the topic? And why would we use that as a basis to call them liars, just because two VERY DIFFERENT numerical totals don't match up.

If you don't like DAZ, that's fine... but why go on and on about them, then and nitpick every little thing they say and do?? The lady doth protest to much, methinks. Im not saying theyre perfect, they dont have faults, or that things always go as they plan. But they're human.... everyone makes mistakes.

Just to clarify ---

@ cnet http://download.cnet.com/DAZ-Studio/3000-6677_4-10717523.html

there are over 2 million downloads of DAZ studio.... DAZ's website itself, notwithstanding.

We also can't count the innumerable downloads offered in 3D world.

So yah, users versus forum members - totally different things.

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Gee thats funny I get this 2112605, so where you getting your misinformation from, or is this on purpose because you have a personal grudge with them.

Looks like a DAZ site user that does not like the truth. I posted the number of REGISTERED members,  others have also posted the same information.

There is a BIG difference in what they were reporting and being proud about over a million users. When people can actually see how many registered users, then they can see yet another, shall we say miscalculation.

Once you have you posting rights back, possibly sometime next week, then ask them where all those members went and see if you get the usual DAZ propaganda.

They can't say any difference now as it is on their site for all to see.

All the best.

Yes Pagan..over a Million USERS. Users are those using their software.. members are another thing, since you can DL and use the software, but not have to register on DAZ3D. In the scheme of things, does this actually matter? If nitpicking every word they say to help get out some sort of self-invented truth makes you feel better, then fine, but at least stop twisting the "truth" to suit you.

And as far as this being some attack on Poser users, no.. I am one. This is a clarification of facts only, as watching someone call DAZ3D a liar every other post is getting old. Especially since in his own post he said users, but then twisted the meaning.

Re: Blondie thinks DAZ poops rainbows - HAHAHAHAHAHAA that is the silliest, most inaccurate thing Ive ever laid eyes on. In fact, its silly to assume that any PA thinks that. We sometimes agree with them, and sometimes we don't. And sometimes, we can see both sides. Just like anything in life. At the end of the day tho, Blondie is right. Am I happy with the divide? Newp.... and Im a Poser user too.... but Im not gonna tar and brand DAZ for it. If I WAS gonna put pressure somewhere (not to say I would, but if) it would be on SM.... the ball is in their court, now.

PE: Yeah, Im gonna say it... I agree with you. I think everyone needs to go outside, get some fresh air, relax and enjoy the holidays. This thread isn't going anywhere. If there are questions lingering, I think they should be asked... but this thread should be limited to just that. All the fighting is taking it OT. Just my dont-worry-be-happy, laid back non moderating 2 cents.

I have 2 computers and a laptop, actually, all of which have net access... and I have a metric ton of stuff to potentially lose (and stuff even that cannot be replaced)

But the answer isn't keeping my machine offline - its in doing frequent backups. I have an external drive, and a server with unlimited space. Ive had my runtime going since Poser 4. And with that setup? My old machine ran 3 yrs without one single virus.... my new rig.... no viruses, either.

Quote - Personally, I've bought hundreds of things from Rendo, Daz, RDNA and other 3D sites and never had a Bad Thing happen. Other than the item was not as nice as it seemed on the product page, that is!

Yeah, same here... Ive bought from all the stores, and tons and tons of stuff. Never once got a virus. But if I did... I wouldnt wrap a condom over my computer lol One needs to be proactive about them and learn how to deal with them, not wrap their entire cyber world in a protective bubble. Where's the fun in that?

Quote - You really just shouldn't have said anything on this topic. It's either bad communication or plain old finger-pointing, I dunno which. If it's the former, yeah I'd say it's misinformation; if it's the latter, it's actually disinformation, which is worse

He was answering a question to the best of his capability. If he hadn't answered, then it would've been "you didn't answer my question!"

doh....

http://www.damageinc3d.net/underworld/

A link to my own forum. Not sure if I have the software forums open to guest viewing, but they are set up the same exact way - I have a section for software, and then specific software packages divvied up, each one into its own category.

I don't think its intended to be "segregation" more as that is typically the way all forums are set up - with separated categories as to better suit people and their needs. If everything piles into the commons, for example, and ppl searching for Poser specific help never look in the commons, isn't that counter-productive?

LOL at ManleyStanley - yeah, the squeeky wheel gets grease, and the squeeky mouse sometimes gets the cheese... but Ive got another addage for ya - you can catch more flies with honey, than you can vinegar.

Seriously tho... don't think stating your grievances is the issue (I dont mean you in the literal sense - but anyone, just to clarify) I think the pungency in which they are voiced is often an issue here. I would definitely not fault anyone for their opinions, you are entitled to them. But if you want others to listen to them, the best way to state them is calmly and rationally. It speaks in volumes.

DS4 was a completely new version coz it has completely new tech in it. Therefore, it had to be built from the ground up to support the new tech. They prolly altered the UI because people voiced their dislike for the old one (or maybe they had to coz of how profound the core code changed - Ill leave that up to DAZ to answer) Me personally, I like the new UI better.... although, there are things that still don't sit well with me, too. Sad part is, what works for some tho, doesn't work well for others.

The only way DAZ can know tho, what works for people, is to hear their feedback. I don't think its anyone's intention to put a cap on it. But as much as people have seen what they feel is unfair censoring, I have also seen some pretty angsty posts with venom spewed in DAZ's general direction. If it were my forum? Yeah, I would stop that sort of thing, too. It's not professional, and can scare away other patrons.

As for Poser 2010 ... yeah its stable. But the bugs don't start showing up til you start really working in it and esp developing in it lol Like Poses... it was doing some really weird crap to me, where it would distort the body into some fandangled position after saving them... adding all this needless extra coding. It kept locking my actors on me out of nowhere, so midway thru working in a scene, I could not move the head, for example. All of that was fixed in 2012... but I had to spend 130$ to get the fix.

There's also a bug since 2010 that hasnt been fixed as of yet - where it renders a grid on the backfaces of something one-sided, if you have normals set forward and only IF you are using AO in the scene (shut it off, the grid goes byebye) Actually, AFAIK that will be fixed in the next service release. But it kinna makes me wonder why it took 2 major releases and numerous service releases to fix the issue...

Well, the answer.... sometimes it just takes time to get all the bugs worked out. A program is a pretty extensive and convoluted thing, with lots of parts and intermeshing of code. And this is especially problematic when multiple computer configurations are involved. I mean.... its a lot like chemistry. Certain chemicals mixed with certain other chemicals, can be perfectly fine.... mix them with others, and they explode.

At Who -- yes, I can see your point lol the mail men went postal! lol What I mean tho is, there is no leverage DAZ has being here discussing this stuff. If it was all about wanting to censor the masses, then the last place they'd go to do this, would be at a site where they have no control and no ability to censor anyone. I am sure there are reasons for it... one for certain being, trying to quell the fears and upset of the masses, as well as dispelling some heinous rumors that are flying about.

Hm sorry but thats kind of a ridiculous sentiment and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

If DAZ only wishes to censor everyones negative opinions, why would they come here to START a thread to discuss things and actively listen to everyone being upset? Here, where they have absolutely no control.

And maybe some questions aren't getting answered because A: They haven't been gotten to yet, or B: there is no viable answer to give on the subject yet. Would you prefer to be misinformed?

Im switzerland. Im not taking sides, as I like both apps. But also coz I quit pulling hair when I was 6 :giggles: