It doesn't seem to matter what I turn on or turn off. If I run Poser once, the library is slow, if I close Poser and then open it again it's fine.

What is it with that first load that is making it slow!? I can restart the laptop as many times as I like, when I run Poser for the first time the library is slow.

I just don't get it. If closing and reopening it is what have to do for it to run issue free then so be it, unless you or Smith Micro have other ideas.....

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With Reopen folders unchecked, and the path tooltip turned off, with 413 folders in the Pose library, it took over 2 1/2 minutes to load down to the folder I wanted to open. My processor is an Intel i5 quad core and I've got 6gb of RAM, surely that should mean the library loads quicker than that!?

So, the question remains, what is slowing it down!? Turning off the Item List panel makes no difference either.

That was running it after booting. I just loaded it again after typing that paragraph and it loaded in seconds. It's all in that first time load up. I'm getting somewhere here.....

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I found Reopen Folders on mine and it isn't checked, I wonder, should I check it and see what happens...

Back in a bit...

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The P8 library is indeed faster, SM had me install it on my machine to see if the issue happened there when I linked my PP2012 runtime to it. It didn't as, even with all the content in the PP2012 runtime,  the Pose library loaded really quickly meaning that I didn't need to refresh the folder I wanted to open.

I have 2 laptops on which PP2012 is installed, and, when you launched it for the first time, the Pose library loaded really slowly on both of them and the same issue with the double entries occurred when I refreshed the folder I wanted to open. This surely has to mean that there is something in PP2012 that is causing the library to load slowly. The P8 library was really fast no matter when you loaded the program.

P8 is 32bit as is P9, I still wonder if there's something about PP2012 being 64 bit that is causing problems.

To anyone else with PP2012, how long does the Pose library take to load when you open it having lauched the program for the first time!? Do you just wait for it or try and refresh a particular folder that you want to open?

I just want to get to the bottom of this. There may not be anything they can do for PP2012, but, there could be something to address in PP2013.

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Great minds think alike,

I was told that they used Flash for the library as it was the only way they could incorporate the features for the library that people had suggested. You do wonder if said people are wishing they'd shut up instead.

I looked at Daz Studio, in particular a video on their library. It looks way more comprehensive than Poser's and has a lot more features. I looked through forum  threads to see if anyone had been complaining about the library and couldn't see any. I've delved into their bug reports too and issues there concerning the library don't seem major.

It'd be interesting to know what Daz use to implement their library......

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I didn't dispute the fact after you mentioned it.

Anyway, the library issue is an ongoing one and I wouldn't mind some outside input from knowledgable users as to what the cause might be.

When I open PP2012 and begin using it as normal, the librarys are still loading. I can load a figure and be ready to pose it and the Pose library hasn't finished loading. When I scroll down to a pose set I want to use and hit the refesh button I can then open and load the pose I want. Moments after I've done that the library flickers and displays double entries for that folder. (See screenshot.)

I think it's a Flash issue, what does anyone else think!?

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I hear you,

I'm in the process of my bug report right now. There seems to be some confusion about the Flash Player. They say you need to have a 64 bit one installed for the library to work in PP2012. Adobe haven't made a 64 Bit Flash Player fully available and the latest version you can download, even if you open Internet Explorer 64 Bit is a 32 bit one.

The library in PP2012 works, so, it has to be utilising the 32 bit Flash Player. If you switch to an external library, this utilises Adobe Air, but, it doesn't cure the double entry issue.

To me, there's an issue in the way that PP2012 utilises the Adobe programs and not the Adobe programs themselves.

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The rest of us are, but, I don't think Smith Micro are.

You're best off making those suggestions to them.

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Yay, not just me then!

One thing occurred to me about this, PP2012 is 64 bit, but, Flash is 32 bit, not sure if that has anything to do with it though. Adobe did do a beta of a 64 bit version of Flash, but, the latest version is still 32 bit.

On the whole, I think there was nothing wrong with the old pre flash library that P8 had or was it 7? That was really stable and I never had any issues at all with it.

I've filed a bug report at SM as, if it's something they've never fixed with service releases, maybe they never knew it needed fixing.

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PS (Has anyone ever found a use for Andy!?)

Oh yeah, something that I forgot about,

Does anyone else keep getting double entries showing up in their library?

It loads as normal, then, it flickers and suddenly you get 2 of everything. It goes away if you refesh the library. That's been happening since day 1 and doesn't change with the service releases.

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Do you render to specific dimensions or whatever size the preview window happens to be once you've moved the UI around?

I always render to specific dimensions, so, perhaps if you guys do you'll get results.

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I'd lean towards an NVidia issue if it's affecting other programs. Perhaps you should contact them, perhaps you need new drivers.

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Well, if you've both got Nvidia cards then there must be something awry there somewhere. I would definitely contact Smith Micro about it. They are very helpful and have been my first port of call when things go wrong.

I asked them if browsers can conflict with Poser due to the way they handle Flash and they said that Safari was a good one. I've used it ever since and can run PP2012 side by side with it without issues. Google Chrome and Firefox aren't good, but, you need IE around to dowload and install Flash updates.

Good luck guys

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Not something I've come across I'm afraid. Smith Micro need to hear about these issues, if they persist after service packs are installed then they are something that need to be included in further ones.

If they don't know about it, they can't fix it.

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That really does sound like something Smith Micro should be aware of, they can't fix bugs if they don't know about them.

File a report with them and then, if they fix it, and perhaps release a fix, everybody can benefit from it.

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