I agree to the spirit and as mentioned what ever Ren recquires us to is fine with me - but in regards to the statement - Kendra 1st post -"I don't care but when my kids are in the room or I'm at work I shouldn't have to worry about it when the safeguard is an option." to this statement I rest my point

"If this image contains nudity of any type, you must check the "Nudity" checkbox..." The last time I checked, MUST means you're obligated to do so. conceded point... Ironbear- since your up on these things -is there any where in the rules or TOS whatever, that states the 'flag' is to be used as a parental control of any sort? Or to be relied on as such? is 100% gauranteed not to fail? That no human err will ever acure? If not, then I rest my side of the "who's responsibile in the end"

Ps - Hello everyone - how I do love being made an exception of. lol hey kendra how was your day? (smile)you do make me feel exceptional.

I don't believe I questioned your parenting choicesand am sorry you got that impression however I do feel that you relied too heavily upon a mechanical device, the irreputable flag, too much. Visitors cling to it as a parenting savure from all unwanted art. Which you have stated and others, that, for whatever reason, has it's failicies. Be it human err or just mechanical failure. I don't think Orio strayed so far from the issue, Kendra brought up to the platenot only the flag and it's use or lack there of. Nudity and her children and work. And others seeing what Kendra deemed unappropriate for whatever reason. Oroh smiply stated Oroh's views pertaining to to those very things. I inturn stated the resposibility falls back on the viewer- where it began. I'm sure that when the 9 year old brought the R rated tape into your house you took and made your appropriate parenting decision. But what if 'you' bringing in the R rated tape? is the blame on someone else still? Of course not. In your opening statement, you state, 'you' brought in and open the Renderosity site. Knowing full well that it contains nudity. You did, not some 9 yr old or the gardener or someone else. And for what ever reason the flag was not in place or didn't work. Dispite the rules that we all understand by now of this site, it was or did not work. Yet you quicky push all blame on the "flag" filter and or artist. Which has been stated is a "curtisy" not a life saver. You expected obviously too much from this filter flag thing. Which I personelly could care less about. One way or the other. Do I think they're nessasary - no. infalliable - no. Nor am I ready to blame them if I happen to see something i thought would be filtered out. knowing I came to asite that containes the very thing I'm trying to filter. The viewer should expect or allow for the possiblity and probability that at one time or another it, the flag, is bound to fail. Dispite the reasons. And knowing full well there are no filters on the banners contained in this site, and that this site does contain nudity which "you" had to log into to get within this sites boundries. You, the viewer brought it into your home at your own risk for whom ever to see. Whether you find the art offensive or not. There fore final responsibility falls on ....the dog?...the cat?...the artist? When there is nobody or no-thing to point the finger of blame ....who's left?

orio - "I would surely not dare to compare Renderosity galleries output with such masters" Have you seen some of the woek that is here - what about bloodsong's "bathing " render or some of the others work... personelly I think you could safely compare a lot of these artists to such masters - the median has just changed not the artistry. Nor the mastery of its creation. Wouldn't you agree?

I'd agree no one can dictae the viewing of nudes or what have you to someone els's kids. But it's really quite simple math. Three barrels one contains milk one contains beer and one contains milk and beer seperatly and equally The chances of your kid getting beer from barrel one is 0% the chances of getting beer from the second barrl are 100% But the possibiltity and probability of getting tainted milk is much greater if you as a parent go to drink from the third barrel, even separated and filtered. It's your choice which barrel you drink from.

No - you haven't lost a choice - you failed, by oversite or other, to include probability and possibility into the equation.

I've had this discussion before - and tested twice now P5 sr2 on a PIII 500mghz machine - 128 graphics card and 512 of ram. It doesn't work worth a s... In P5's defense and all 3d graphics programs in the forefront. They are more powerful and are made to work with the newer more powerful machines. Or so they claim. The more you want the 3d program to do the more it's going to require a bigger better machine. Especially for animation. Even the small new programs require more. For the price of about $250 and up you can get a half way decent mother board and processor between 1.6ghz and 2ghz. Personally I wouldn't recommend to any one that really wants to render - using P5 on a 500mhz machine and agree they should not be stating that as a minimium.

Therefore by setting my preferences to 'no-nudity' I am taking the "responsibility "before" (I) No you are pushing the responsibility on rendorosity and the artists involved. you ccan't set preferances till after you come to the site. "Here there is a nudity flag and a TOS that says you must use it. If this site had no nudity flag this discussion would have never begun and I would not complain." You're defeating yourself Kendra - then what diference does it make whether they work or not?

Just curious - and no offense ment ,but, doesn't the responsibility come "before" you come to asite that contains artwork that contains nudity? Just asking, because if what you are saying is that this site and these people and these 15,000 artists and everyone that comes here are now resposible for what your kids might see or did see because you choose to put on your computor screen at a site you choose to come to, that you knew before hand contained nudity that your kids which you knew where around and could see what you put on your screen? - does this mean we have to start making child support payments or something?

I really need to spell check... I mean "contracting" the image in my last post.

I guess my last response did'nt post... anyhow, I figured it would be had to follow my discription. lol I think contacting the image rather than resizing would be better discrition, since resizing would ccause the problems you mentioned. On the topic of layering though, wasn't there a tutorial on layering on the inside of a mesh? Look at SamTherapy's abyss figure you'll notice the reflection only comes from the front or rather the outside of the figure. Nothing from the backside of the head or back. and that reflection would have to come from the inside of the backside of the Abyss figure. So the layers have to face the intior, and I know there is a way to do that, do you know how?

Chris - do me one thing - bring in the hi-res nude judy figure and add one of the dynamic hair props for her like the pony tail or what-ever they are calling the hair prop I can't remember and then try to position it using the track ball. Start with full tex shadow then drop down and see how it runs on each setting so I know we are talking about apples to apples not apples to oranges. Thanks

You know - I'm going to have another look at my friends set up and have him re-set up the p5 on the 500 he's got and check it out again, all of you seem to be having such good luck with it. The cost of the pro-pak versis the p5 is irrelavant, especially if it doesn't work. But if it does on an 800, I'd be stupid not to get the p5 versis the pro-pak. sigh - I also have to keep my wits - because I really "want" it to work with the 800 and that's definitly not the way to make this descision. Thanks every-one

Nance - i was really hoping not to hear that about the animation rendering. But I have an idea, using another app, in conjunction, if it works it works, if not, back to the drawing board. No, in ref to the Abyss by SamTherapy. To discribe it - I'll try, I'm assuming now that the hilit was used on the exterior, but with a trans chrome finish, and heres where my discription gets weird, and the only way i can help you visulize it. Fill it with smoky colored jello with little lite shimmering sparkles thru-out and add animation to the interior and presto you've got preety close to what I mean. But you know what while thinking as writing this, dangerous combo, what if you did an abyss type posette,smoky chrome transparency, right? And had another similiar posette inside the original posette at 75% of the original size with again smoky chrome finish with the noise bum on the extior of the intior one and reverse the noise bum as in your figure 3 so it faces the intiorer on the extior posette? Did I say that right? you might have to do this at 25%, 50% and 75% of the original posette, keeping them all transparent and using the niose bum on intior extior maybe? I'd think you'd have to parent child all 4 posettes so they bend properly. I don't know just open thoughts about this. I know what I'm thinking but not how to put it in words.