So lets define them clearly and vote.

So certain add-ons are allowed, and certain ones aren't? Do you see my point? That's different standards.

How so? Both are additions to the fractal that weren't created by the generator.

So a filter and a plugin isn't an object other than a fractal? I think we need to clear that up before we vote.

I already addressed framing and fontwork in an earlier comment, but if you want to overlook that and call that post working, then by your definition I'm guilty. Problem is, that's not what this thread is about. Nobody has problems with an artist signing the name of the art and their own name on the image. The topic of this thread is all the plugins, add-ins, and filters that are posted onto the image after rendered, or bring it in process in UF. Let's stick to the issues, please. The other thing about this thread that I find mind boggling is the decision that is going to be made affects the entire gallery, but people are not getting involved, or write "Zzzzzz" until I play devils advocate and ruffle feathers. Everyone that posts images here should be weighing in on this thread, but there's only silence from the bulk of them. They don't want to post their comments, that's fine, but let no complaints be heard from them when the dust settles. If the rule is made to allow any type of postworked image, then that's the way it's going to be. I have no problem living with that, because it's a wise decision to obey the rules of the site. Rebellion gets you nowhere. All I'm doing is throwing my viewpoint into the decision so that all sides can be looked at. Btw, you consider it postwork changing a png to a jpeg because the site doesn't allow png's? That's really interesting.

Yay, Matt, thanks for avoiding the points I made, that's okay, everyone else does also.

Yay for Marion. That's a bit harsh, but shouldn't we all be trying to master our generators, instead of leaning on postwork to cover our short comings? How many people approach the creation process with that much intent, or instead stop midway because they know of X amount of postwork tricks that will yield a good image? We all want to help each other, but how do you help someone that cannot afford photoshop or paint shop pro when that's what you lean on to create your artwork? When you started learning fractals, did you want to learn from the people that have mastered the software, or the ones that just get by and use postwork to make their images? That's another thought that people overlook here, and that's why I'm adament on no postworking of my artwork (frames/fonts only, for print reasons).

Grab a dictionary and look up the word fractal. You'll be surprised at the answer, it's not what you think it is, at least not the way Mandelbrot defined it back in 1975.

I want to see fractals and fractal like images. That means anything made with xenodream and fractal-like artrage images. What I don't want to see is poser mixes, tons of plug-ins, filters, tubes, and other postworked to death gimmicks. We are all supposed to be mastering our software and techniques, so why all the extra postworking to make an image? Yeah, I know, separate arguement, but that's what started this whole pandora's box in the first place. ;) There will never be separate galleries for certain fractal generators because the ownership of this site doesn't care enough to improve the html. If they ever restructure the galleries (yeah, right), then they need to get rid of the software related galleries all together. What this place needs is a fractal gallery, abstract gallery, digital landscape gallery, 3D digital art gallery..... Instead of argueing whether it's a fractal or not, why not just say it's a certain type of artform and post it that way and forever end this stupid arguement about it.

See what happens when you open pandora's box. The gallery is going to go back to the way it was before the rules were changed.

Then we are exactly back to where we were before.

Pandora's Box.

Sometimes the grain only goes away with the right positioning of the triangles. It's a trade off between getting a slight grain or changing an image you like the way it is. Certain variations yield more grain also. Then again, sometimes that grain can be used to give the complete image a wisp look, so each image has it's own approach. Hm, amazing what you remember after a good nights sleep.

What do you mean by noise? Grainy? If they are grainy, go to options/render/sample density and change it to 100 after you are finished with your flame. Force the image to resample itself for the 100 value to take affect and it should come out clear.

If you post that in the Bryce gallery, you'll get roasted like a thanksgiving day turkey. Technically Bryce isn't a fractal generator, but that's really splitting hairs too much. Visually it passes all tests and looks very much like a fractal, so I'd post it in the fractal gallery. It's very cool looking, however you forced Bryce to create it.