OK for those that are curious and because I see the thread is still running....just a few little things I wanna say.... 1) Mistakes are made everyday...a person who can fix a mistake and apologize this publicly is most DEFINITLY forgiven in my book :O) 2) As for whether Rendo "knew" contests were going on etc...I believe it was known but you know sometimes we all let things slide until something arises...complaints or what not that make it so you can't "let it slide" anymore...and then the only thing you can do is change it for everyone...not that this was the best way...but definitly we all got the point LOL...no more contests in the gallery LOL :O) And why not just say well we saw but let it go...well because that too would start a whole other fight about why now and where was the problem etc...it's a business tactic used all over the place...just like parents use it with kids at times...you let your children do something for whatever reason that they shouldn't do and let it "slide" occasionally but if something arises you put your foot down...if the kid asks...well you let me do it yesterday you don't say oh I let it slide cuz that is grounds to get walked all over...you say well if I would have seen it I wouldn't have...classic LOL...not an excuse...merely an explanation :O) 3) I know there were people worried about what running the contests from the contest gallery would be like and are a bit reserved so I wanted to set your minds at ease...I have asked about 20 questions while getting H&H up and running so I am going to give you answers to things you may wonder...and want to add that both Shoshanna and hauksdottir are wonderful and helpful and VERY easy to work with...so for sure not worries there...not to mention funny :O) OK...contest held there are done however you want them... Nudity can be allowed or not (up to the runners discretion).... People can post the images in the gallery AFTER there approval to the contest and comments can be enabled or disabled (also this is up to the contest runners) Judging can be done in any manner the contest runners choose...by voting or a panel of judges etc...and judges are chosen by the contest runners...not Rendo mods or admin.... Every single element of our H&H contest has been created by prog...mutedbanshee...and myself...we made all the decisions....they helped with advice when needed and input and posted the contest. The approval process of the images themselves are also handled by the contest runners not rendo (unless of course there is a TOS violation) obviously we can't over ride the TOS. I hope this answers those questions and you all will continue to put on these fun...inspiring...and AMAZING contests :O) I always love them even if I don't enter I love seeing all the creativity and would hate to see them go :O) To Armour....I understand your upset because of "your site members" but as far as I know everything has been fixed and even the "warnings" were being removed...so all that needs to change is titles on images so future members will not be confused as to the proper place to run a contest. I think JenyK has gotten enough anger over this...and has publicly apologized in more than 1 thread...so I say leave this be now...it is over...we all expressed our upset and a huge company responded...maybe not as fast as we wanted but they did...and that says alot for our value :O) Also the way everyone pulled together to create change in this was just well INCREDIBLE and personally I am proud to be a member where so many were proactive and actually cared about what was happening even if it wasn't to them :O) HUGS ALL.... :O) ann :O)

...this all happened because of that exact contest...the "Romance Long Ago" contest...I too remember it well as me and ferg and cimerone are all friends and close...when it was brought up that there were legal issues renderosity decided at that time they needed to be more proactive in these contests etc and with reason actually as they could lose the site if something illegal is posted and they get sued...reguardless if they knew or not...the law sees it as your responsibility to know all that goes on and with so many members on this site that is near impossible but sadly they didn't make it clear enough to me or anyone else running contests till now...we were told like it was a "suggestion" to let rendo help manage it. Most of us got the impression that as long as there were no rules like the "brushes" thing we were safe and the gallery was fine. But it was during that point that this rule came into effect and not before. Honestly that is not the issue here at all...all of us contest runners can run our contests our way through the Renderosity Contest Gallery....the problem is the images that were deleted and the people that were "written up" without clearly knowing what they were "supposed to" do. Or in some cases not even having access to the area at all as it is in the "private merchant forum" and not all contests are ran by merchants. I truely hope that rendorosity will see the pain and anger it has caused its community and will make some sort of ammends in such a manner that it will regain the feeling of community we all have had. Not to mention putting up a place in the user forum for such requests so that users can also still have the ability to run contest because as of now they don't. I truely hope this does not end the contests either...the contests were for the poeple not the company...they were to inspire and to encourage and to expand the talent on this site and that is for all of US...which is why H&H is going ahead with ours...we did this for the community and as it is the community that is hurting it seems wrong to yank the contest out of upset...which trust me was definitly considered.

Edit on my last post....it is to the contest runner (our) discretion as to whether comments must be disabled...so really no differences except that it is posted else-where....guess that is painless enough.... Still not getting all this other stuff that had happened though AT ALL...... ann :O)

OK just to let you know...Shoshanna in the Contest Forum has been EXCELLENT and the H&H Contest will be posted there...and will procede. There are no changes to anything at all save one thing by hosting it there...and that one thing was that you can post the image in the gallery but no comments or rankings till after the contest is over....nudity etc is all still allowed and anyone wishing to run/sponsor a contest shoshanna has been incredible and helpful...the juging is as you want it to be etc...only it is in the contest Forum and overseen by them :O) Still doesn't aleviate everyone's upset but atleast we have an excellent contest coordinator to work with :O) As for the rest of this...just rediculous...not fair to anyone at all....and even more unfair to all the participants that were caught up in all this for entering and working so hard...just sad :O( ann

tink...it's lost...sadly :O( I have 3 a day but sadly when mine get hit I won't be able to repost...they gone...I had taken them off my PC and put them on a CD and the CD was damaged so...poof all gone :O( Just waiting for it...although I could delete um myself but I didn't have the heart to do it LOL ann :O)

Yeah Hawke I saw that LOL....that is the point I never heard anything about it but yet it's there...does that mean all our challenges will be moved/deleted next??? HMMMM....food for thought LOL ann :O)

Well my mom is over where the huricanes have been and that is important I assure you...but this isn't a forum about hurricanes..and you can't do naything to stop those...this post is about a whirlwind "hurricane" that has hit this community and swept away images that meant alot to many people. Mine have not been gotten to yet...so for the record I have 2....that should go. I am disappointed to say the least in how some of this was handled...I can understand why but am disappointed. I think a more appropriate thing would have been to make a Community wide annoucement that "from this point on" contest will be done this way. Previous to this it was stated more as a suggestion and not as a rule. I understand that it may violate TOS as with any contest there will be complaints and my guess is mod and admin alike get hit with them....and that does "affect the normal operations of the community" I guess....but to go and delete images from people etc is just not right...the entrants nor the contest runners did anything WRONG per say...we were being a COMMUNITY and urging each other on... there are definite problems in this "new" way and I have IMd to see that hopefully this will all get sorted...I mean honestly I just noticed there is an actual "Challenge Gallery" Did you know that???? I sure didn't does that mean challenges will be next to be hit by this. Seems silly to penalize or warn someone for giving away their products or money and just plain aweful to go and delete hundreds of images that were important to people in this community. I really hope there will be a speedy solution to all of this. ann

Hey sweetie don't loose heart :O) we all make mistakes and honestly those that bought Cimerone's brushes have been blessed...they are well worth it and for some of us it just gave us a nudge to try out painting hair...so good caqme out of it :O) You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SWEET AND GENEROUS for doing anything at all...and I'm sure pepole will stop and realize that....you're the best :O) HUGS and thanks for all these wonderful contests...it is very generous and sweet of you.... :O) ann0314 :O)

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Sonja would work...and she render beautifully but honestly native american woman by nature look more aged even young...something to consider...my husband is part native american and most of his family is women...and they all (young or old) seem to have a wise mature look about them...IMHO....so Morris's texture could work in the long run...but personally I haven't used that one...Sonja on the other hand, I have used a bunch of times and it really is a gorgeous texture...I just am having trouble picturing how she would look as a native american...I think she would work...hmmmmmmmm???

Well...I guess that's that then :( Well, atleast it wasn't me...lol...I know the hair isn't conforming and since I'm not sure what parented is (sadly) I guess I will have to figure something else out :( Thanks so much for trying to help-I thought I was just doing something silly...atleast it makes me feel better to know it wasn't me :)

I have a wacom tablet (smaller than what you are getting) I think it is 4x5 and I use it for alot of work...recolor, selecting, hand drawing, etc. and I love it. It's about a 50/50 split as to whether I am using the mouse or the tablet. I will warn you that it does take some getting used to and some thought when setting it up...especially if you work in larger sizes like 1024x768. Obviously the tablet is not that big, so you have to get used to moving the pen around to pickup where you left off...kind of like when you first learn how to use a mouse. It doesn't take long to adapt though and depending on how you set it up you may not need any adapting at all. Personally, I love mine and think it helps take anyone's computerized artwork to the next level with ease...of course this is just my very long winded :) opinion. Most of the time there is a 14-30 day return period at most stores, so try it...you can always return it if it doesn't work out but my bet is you'll love it.