Ok Thanks Let me fiddle around, im going shopping at Daz soon so that might help lol If I need further help I will IM u, thanks so much

Thanks Ronknight, I am downloading ur tuts now

Thanks for the links, will definatly look them up I have never followed any tuts for any of the programs I use from Flash to Adobe just played out taught myself, but Poser I know I wont work out myself..I need help

Guess what we are going to make a no frames version, DONT U THINK WE ARE SO KIND lol I might even make one for my own site if I HAVE TIME then u can all come in and see my little fairies and things

Its Ok BelleMorte, I just get peed down at REND sometimes at the hackle u get over anything...Its hard being a web designer its not an easy job, I do the best I can to keep all happy.. Im not some wicked old witch who has a hate campaign against netscape, I dont even think about browsers when a client wants something I just make it, they know of the probs so if they dont care then let them have what they want...OH and I met u in the psp forum last month, I was the one who finally managed to scan her cat..and got a good under belly shot with paw included by putting roast chicken on the scanner to entice him onto it :)

BelleMorte U obviously did not understand my last post. I have nothing against Netscape users the reason I do not code for netscape is because it would mean I have to refuse my clients the type of site they ask from me..I AM A BUSINESS not doing this as a hobby....Basically the only thing I use which is not for netscape is inline frames..REMEMBER I AM CONTROLLED BY MY CLIENTS DESIRES, NEEDS AND REQUESTS... More and more clients ask for inline frames even for custom web sets they ask for a frame to be included..I just designed a site with inline for a well known US author, I would have lost her business and friendship If I refused to let her have the site she wanted...I dont know of any professional design company who would refuse to design unless compatable with all browsers, so far as I know there is no code for old netscape to view inlines... However what u all seem to forget is the majority of sites I design do not use inline therefore are viewable by all...so you cant really say I am against netscape, I just design what my client wants If I told u that u have to create art a way u do not like working in and u cant do this and that, I dont think u would be very happy, so how do u think my clients would feel if refused to design the site they wanted...They know about the netscape problem when they request inline frames and if they dont care then they continue with the design they ASK ME TO MAKE FOR THEM.. Pam loves her site, it was made for HER and for HER enjoyment..those that can not enter can view her work and puchase her products here at REND as they have always been here..If she feels the frames are a problem she will of course request a no frames version as well...so this is just another GET ON UR HORSE THING HERE AT REND..Let my clients request from me the site they want..I am not going to SAY NO TO THEM and make them unhappy and disatisfied..YOU FORGET, I DESIGN HOW THEY WANT as do all web designers we are CONTROLLED BY OUR CLIENTS..If I let u run my business for one month u would ruin it with that mentality, basically your telling people u cant have inline frames, THAT IS NOT FAIR IS IT, IF THEY WANT THEM and a large percentage of my clients do ask for them..If u were at the helm, u would be refusing my clients left right and center?? Oh and my stats show 1.024% netscape users, all entered my flash entrance, out of 47,000 since december I dont think thats much do u..if it reaches 3% I will of course add a no frames version and that is what I advice all clients who ask for inline frames, to check their stats often and if they see a certain percentage of netscape users entering the index page which does not have frames on it, they should consider adding a no frames version..Guess Im not anti netscape afterall..

Look I design all types of sites OK, sometimes I need and my clients want inline frames, OK so netscape cant use them EVEN YAHOO uses inline frames... I dont code for netscape if a client wants inline frames..thousands of sites use inline frames PLEASE ALL OF U GET A LIFE and go out and harrass the thousands of inline frame sites out there on the net... Netscape cant view inline frames or most of the DHTML and java effects, why should I tell a client they cant have what they want because a few people use netscape....Its like telling 3D artists who like to render fairies to go and start rendering worldwar two tanks. bcause some people get sick when they see a fairy... MOST designers do not code for netscape for one reason, it means their client can not have the site they want..I do my job and design to my clients needs they are FULLY aware that if they opt for inline frames that old netscape cant view them..No one has been bothered... Why should someone not have inline frames because of netscape WHAT THE HELL were they designed for and why do so many companies including major ones use them.... That is the only thing I use in web design that is not compatible for NETSCAPE apart from certain sites who request java effects, not all clients want them but most do.. I live in UAE and YES I have many germany people visit my site, use my work and my tubes etc, all have a browser they can view inline frames..This whole squibble is over because pams site uses a frame...SORRY but otherwise her site would have taken forever to load and THIS is what people hate and why MOST artists stay unknown..because people get sick of waiting for art to show up..One very well known artist told me that his site increased in visitors once he loaded all his work into frames and cut download time in half, my own site has increased also because people love the easy navigation and speed of download and thats why ALL my sites win the Golden Web Award. I have nothing against Netscape at all, most of my designs are compatible I do search out codes to use for all browsers, however with inline frames only the most recent Netscape can view them..And I am not telling my client they cant have them if they are not bothered themselves about broswer compatability,,, I guess u have not been around the thousands of web and graphic design sites and seen most have a sign at the top saying they dont code for netscape...its how most feel, only because in design we are limited as to what we can do.. If anyone has a code for inline frames that allll netscape browsers can view please send it to me..I have searched far and wide and not found one to date. If I had found one I would of course use it

Thankyou ZEROBASE.. I design what my client wants, as for you SCIFGUY you may be a designer but all designers design different, there was a reason I DID NOT USE STATIC INLINE FRAMES... I make a lot of sites, get tons of referrals all clients are happy and I make a lot of money..All my sites have won the Golden Web award..and I opt to use inline frames for art sites such as Pams, because there is nothing worse than sitting all day to wait for a site to load which happens a lot with 3D sites..I KNOW, I am also an art agent for a number of RENDS artists, I have turned aside some as I could not view their work unless I sat all night in front of the comp waiting for their badly designed site to load the art.which is a shame as some could do with the promotion and money I make for them..I live in UAE but my clients are worldwide..If my work was not good why do I work 18 hour days and make buckets of money...My own site uses inlines I sell my work from my site and get sales above $300 everyday just for websets, so If I thought it was causing me to loose clients I would get rid of the frames..2% of the 47,000 visitors in past 6 months to my site used netscape and almost all had the new version...Even Web Tv can view my inlines as many are clients of mine.. This is my last comment on this subject..sorry those that can not view pams site, maybe when u update ur browser u will be able to view it, I update mine regularly.. I am such a lover of art and it saddens me to notice here at REND how many of you nit pick, the first site I designed for an artist here got nitpicks about his pop up ads in his guest book from bravenet, HOW PATHETIC....I am glad I have 10 super rend artists under my wing who nitpik about nothing.Ten of RENDS best, who I work like a dog for to make them some money and bring in some recognition for their art work. If its not nitpicking about someones web site its nitpicking about someones 3D post...and I notice most that nitpick should take a damn good look at their own sites and art before making any comments..You cant please everyone, some like frames, some dont, some like music some dont, some like boring sites some like artistic ones, u do what the client wants thats the important thing...

I am the web designer 99% of peope's browsers can view inline frames, as a web designer it is impossible to code and design for every browser out there..I DO NOT code for netscape at all, only 5% of surfers use netscape these days anyway and almost all designers do not code for every type of browser, as it would cost far too much for the client........All the new ones can see and view inline frames in 2 months my own site has had 14,000 visitors and not one person has been unable to view my inline frames..with the exception of 2 who viewed in netscape Yes the midi I used is ALLOWED, it is a version that is provided for use on peoples web pages..as long as it is not SOLD it is ok....the Midi by Mike Oldfield is on thousands of sites.every single WAV or midi on the net has a copyright, therefore I am careful where I download things from....It is not the webpage who gets into trouble if a record company does not want the music in midi form, it is the creator of the midi..Therefore sometimes you have to just do what u feel is best.... Thank You