I never did like TheGirl (cartoony and too big boobs/too hourglass) but that is quite a history to learn about her.

Chuckling at the V4 face expression lol, so true, but at least I can say we're still able to make realistically beautiful girl.  No, not talking about puffy lips/bug eyes either lol.

...wolfie

Quote - Yes you are correct, sorry. There are morph channels for the brows. I was looking in the wrong figure.

Don't know why you can't load the morph then. I tried spawning a morph from a Mag on the eyeBrows, and that works OK, so there is no reason in principle why morphs won't work on the eyeBrows, they do!

That's ok, figured you made a mistake somewhere.  That does give me an idea though, maybe after I finish the head morph, I'll go back and use the deformers (in Poser language, it's magnets) and shape them as best as I can.  I don't have the all expensive face shop to play with them lol. ...wolfie

Already know about the eyebrow being invisible in both DS and Poser, and already know how to turn them on.  In fact, my Tindra Thompson product has an "on/off" option for the brows.  Already know how to unhide dials in Poser, and how to move them around.  Had to specifically move them in certain positions in my upcoming product for each age, so that they fit tightly in both programs, and have "eyebrow/eye fix" pose files for them.

As for the channels, the eyebrows, in fact, do have them.  First, when I copied over the custom head morphs, it showed up in the channel (Injection Channels/Community), but no change in the eyebrow morph.

Second, I looked through files in the libraries/!DAZ/Victoria 4/eyeBrow folder and found "06-ps_pe069inj_Chnnls.pz2" & "06-ps_pe069inj_Grps.pz2", which specifically lists the Injection Channels, along with all the other files listing add on morphs.

Thanks for trying, lesbentley :)

...wolfie

Well, It's actually for commercial, but yea, you made me realize how much work it is lol.

Hmm, no replies so no one knows?  Maybe it's impossible?

...wolfie

Hmm, you make me want to give up already lol.  Ever hear of a fool who chooses to go through an extremely difficult process even though he's warned by an experienced person of it's extreme difficulty, then the fool comes back and says, "yep, you're right, too difficult"?  I'm not one of them lol, so I'll leave that alone.

Maybe if I can make enough money from my next character, I can get the program, but I do wish Daz would sell a program that just deals with ExP creation alone without all the other tools, for a cheaper price.  Or maybe we should get a hold of one of the Poser python script gurus and ask if they can do it lol.

Thanks for your replies, pjz99!

...wolfie

///edit to add/// you did make me realize something here though.  I thought when you updated V4, it goes grabbing files online, but I now realize it grabs the new files that are installed in the !Daz V4 folder.

Quote - This isn't entirely DAZ's fault - although granted, there are problems with some of the morphs in the default shape, when you morph the face into a very different shape from the base morph, there is just no way to be sure how any of the expression morphs will mix with that.  The greater the difference from the base morph, the more borked the expression morphs are likely to be.

This is exactly why I showed Sabrina Blinker in some different expressions (not released yet so no promo images available yet, I did submit her though, still waiting on Rendo), and a little on Tindra Thompson, so that you can see they're able to express without disfunction.  I'd have liked to include free expressions for them, but don't know how to create the pz2/fc2 files without including morphs (unless I delete them by hand in Notepad++). > Quote - plus , thinking about it, a lot of the characteer morphs are done in zbrush and other apps, so the entire mesh is pushed around differently for sure

And this is why I agree that it isn't entirely Daz's fault.  But the thing is, I can imagine it would be that much more difficult creating expression morphs for every kind of character morphs you can imagine.  I think it's impossible to be honest.  I think it would be a necessity for vendors to include some expression with their characters, I would if I knew how to create them.

...wolfie

Hmm, thanks a lot, pjz99, for clarifying this (and sorry for late reply, had to go somewhere for a while).  So, now, it confirms to me that it's not in the V4 cr2 file, but in the body parts.

I knew this was gonna be a difficult process, but what I'm figuring after the difficult process set up for 1 morph (custom head morph), I can use that file to copy other character head morphs.

Of a comment I saw some time ago about the Injection Channels/Daz (or) Community, it's hard to choose which number you're gonna use, 'cause users could want to inject something else (such as teeth deformation) that could possibly call the same number and mix or omit  the current morph.  I do wonder though, maybe I can call a new name under that channel, I did succeed creating a blank V4 that only called those channels (instead of including all V4, Elite, TheGirl4, S4, A4, SheFreak4, Male, and now RebySky channels).  Did that 'cause Daz Studio is limited in how much can be added, and viewed, 'cause I needed to inject Ultra Face Morph2, which has a lot of morphs to dial, to create a custom head morph, and needed the Injection Channels to create the INJ/REM files for the newly spawned morph created.

One step closer, now I have an idea where to look, but I believe it can be done.  If I do succeed and create an ExP file for my character, and find that it'll be too much work to copy/paste that file for another custom head morph, then I won't bother with it anymore lol.

And yes, Daz did make it very difficult for us... on purpose... so that we can't (or will be slow at) create or play with this toy and find no purpose in buying their expensive program (Figure Setup Tools Bundle) for that small purpose.

Business, you know, just like new cars coming that people can't work on but have to support an expensive mechanic to keep them going...

...wolfie

I find it funny too, when I'm playing around with morphs or expressions (especially the smiles, the part between the mouth/nose) that I notice the difference between view and render.  In constantly spot rendering (habit from when I started 3D), I always make sure I know what I'm getting before I hit that render button.  I even full render a small image at times just to be sure lol, I don't like spending hours rendering to find something wrong.

...wolfie

Thanks for the reply, nruddock.  I looked at whats available but there's no S4 files available yet.  I looked at the tutural, but I already know how to do that... except on one part, where you're told to click "exclude expression", someone said it will not work for V4 unless you have that unchecked.

What I'm trying to get at is that my cr2's are "undefined" as stated by Injection Magic and is unable to be used for creating "INJ" files, where the file injects/loads the morphs (ie readscript":runtime:libraries:etc etc..").  It'll still create the "MOR" file, where the file will push dials.  I already have a simple free tool for Daz Studio to create morph files (dial pusher that don't inject/load morphs), I wouldn't buy these programs for that. 

I'm trying to find the solution in the beginning, where I'm doing something wrong that Inj Magic is rejecting as "undefined" files.

...wolfie

True to that, and that went through my mind.  I don't download much freebies anyways, just simply too busy and already getting lots of stuff for the work I do (by trusted friends of course LOL!) anyways.

I would say "I'm glad I use only DS" (which don't read pythons), but I do have to use Poser for the projects I do, and I use the pythons I already have quite often.

...wolfie

Quote - The deleted files totally bypassed the Recycle Bin, making them pretty much unrecoverable, short of using file-searching recovery software (and even THAT was a crapshoot as I found out).  

Well, you have my word, I'll never download a python from anyone unknown, only from trusted people like Netherworks and D3D.  That crap's scary lol.

...wolfie

That explains, guess I'm throwing words together (virus, trojans, malware) carelessly lol.  Actually I thought malwares install itself on your computer to force advertisements or something, but I guess it just "takes a malware" to do that.

Would be nice if we can somehow tell our malware programs to look for something particular in python scripts, sorta like the K9 cop showing his dog... "See this?  Take a smell, good boy, now search!" hehe :D

Sorta sounds stupid probably, just wish there was a way to keep people from getting this garbage.

...wolfie

Damn, that's not good, baggins!  I wonder if antiviruses can catch that?  Or if these companies are even aware of python scripts.  I think I've heard something about jpg images, but thought that was a bunch of bull lol.  Now I know.

BTW good to finally meet you, have heard about you quite a few times.

...wolfie

Good grief, I wish these people would get a life and leave others alone!

Funny I was thinking a few days ago wondering if you can do such a nasty trick with python scripts.  Thankfully I didn't grab this "V4 Wet" script, but again I don't hardly use Poser (I'm a DS user but have Poser for comparing and making DS mats for characters and such).

Say, can you look at these pythons in a script editor (such as Notepad++)?  I'd like to find how you can find such bad calls like this.  Would be good for others to learn this as well for their safety.

...wolfie