The spacing should be adjusted now. Thanks to our programmer tutone1234. --Asher

Hmmm...I see what you mean! :/ I'll look into it. --Asher

Community Improvement forum messages have been merged into the Forum News forum to create the Community Center. --Asher

Hi Vampi, Please send an email to stacey@bondware.com for assistance with your Gallery Plus subscription. thanks, --Asher

Lady Cherry, I'm not exactly sure why you're wanting to discuss this in a public forum, and why you're publicly posting my private communications to you. This is really an issue best handled via email or IM between you and I. That said, I will explain for a final time as far as I feel I can or should in a public space: First of all, Lady Cherry and Rendervisions is already back in the Web Ring, as we would like to give her the benefit of the doubt. That was even before I had seen this thread this morning; in my original message (as we all know) I invited her to rejoin. But the numbers on her site's rise to the #2 spot in the Web Ring (over a matter of a few weeks) were much, much different from every other site in the Top 15. Not to mention that those other top sites had been a part of the Web Ring for at the very least a year, and in most cases much longer. Rendervisions joined the Web Ring in Feb 03. One's standing in our Web Ring is based on 3 factors, each assigned a different 'weight'. The higher one's total weight, the higher in the Web Ring she'll appear. I'm not going to share those numbers with everyone here. Though her numbers were significantly, obviously, and oddly out-of-line with every other site in the Top 15, not to mention on down the list. Most of the skewed activity was recent, reflecting the meteoric rise to the top. Is it possible for those numbers to be arrived at legitimately? Of course...Is it likely?...Not very. Her site is not the only one that's been in the Web Ring for a long time, yet it's the only one to skyrocket to the top in just a matter of weeks. We believe they manipulated their web ring position. But, we also wanted to give them a chance to start over -- instead of just booting them altogether. Hope that helps clear it up. thanks, --Asher Renderosity Admin

P.S...Clear your cookies to get the new logo images. You may also want to log out, clear your cache and log back in, though this shouldn't be necessary. thanks, --Asher

Renderosity did not remove the link to Rendervisions to stifle competition. We believe Renderosity is just a part of a larger 2D/3D community, and we have a web ring to help promote other sites that share our interest in computer generated art. Our web ring has 3 factors: members referred in 30 days, members referred for all time, and all time visits. These factors are weighted to calculate a sites position in our web ring. Based on many years of statistics, we know there is a ratio to visits with the ones that become members. This ratio does not vary much. In this case, we can see that the ratio for visits versus their referrals that actually join are extremely different than all the other sites participating in our web ring. Since there were questions about how the amount of visits accelerated so quickly in a short amount of time, we felt it is only fair to other sites in our web ring to re-set the Rendervision statistics. Since we do not have a way to just reset a sites statistics to zero, we had to remove and have the site re-join the web ring. The site is already back in the web ring and we will watching for any possible issues, so we can address concerns quickly. Below is part of our web ring Terms & Conditions. "People found trying to abuse the Web Ring in any way, or creating fraudulent accounts to boost their ranking, will be deleted from the Web Ring and possibly banned from the community. We reserve the right to pull any link at any time." thanks, --Asher Renderosity Admin

If you're already in the Web Ring, assuming the site is legit etc, you won't have to re-apply. We do require that you use the provided link and graphic on your site. I'll double check the exact timing of the "2 tries" script for dead sites. Good to hear feedback on that, thanks. I do know it's spaced out over days, though. If your site isn't ready yet, please wait to join the Web Ring until it's in order. Of course, it'll depend on how far along the site is. When we check a pending link, if the site looks pretty complete it will be approved, even though some additions could be made later. "Under Construction" isn't really what we want to see. The Renderosity links can go in your Links section, but it should only be a couple of clicks away from the "Front Page". Thanks for the feedback. Go Web Ring! --Asher

This should be working properly now. Let us know if you still have trouble. thanks, --Asher

This should be working properly now. Let us know if you still have trouble. thanks, --Asher

Is it working for you now? --Asher

My money's on the pixies. pets pixie familiar perched on shoulder --Asher

Do you still actually get to the forum, though? The links are working for me. That "Forums=Y" link is simply a mysterious aspect of the wonderful world of programming, which is beyond my ken, but is just the way the drop down menus are set up. If you're not actually able to get to the forums, what browser are you using? --Asher

Onward and upward, tally ho, etc.

Thanks for coming to the rescue, Mi'Lady...Sorry, Gini, I wasn't online last night and didn't see your question. I think ladynimue explained it more thouroughly than I could have anyway. >.< --Asher