yeah but if its supposed to be a clone, we shouldnt HAVE to spin dials to make it look like her. And by plastic Barbie i was refering to the AMG texture, not V3, we all know we can make V3 look anyway we want, that was the purpose of making her. look at the diff in the 2 pics you posted. one looks more like skin, one looks more like shiny plastic. they BOTH still look like Vicki to me. and of course they are different, i would never think DAZ would be so silly as to put out the same thing twice. and again is till say the default Vicki text is better, comparing your 2 images the default tex has more detail it seems to me, the only major diff in res or detail being the lips of the AMG tex which had a lot more detail and thus are the best part of the AMG tex imo, the only thing the default tex lacked. Both look like very similar textures, yet from 2 diff people. thats not implying the same material was used for both, if it was the same artist(s) making the AMG tex as the default tex then i wouldnt see any reason why there wouldnt be similarities, style is a factor of course. Just like you can see any tex here and generally automatically know which artist made it just by looking at it. My whole point being, theres nothing that stounds out to me to say that this AMG tex is so special. Its not very realistic, ive said it looks plasticated, it lack a lot of detail, no very hi-res, ESP when you compare it to their previous textures as you have. Im complainig about the product description DAZ gave this product. i dont think it lives up to it. it looks nothing like AMG, airbrushed photos or not, that wont change the shape of her face and features, if its gonna be called a clone i would think the morphs would out weigh the impt of the texture. Even tho any avid poser user knows you can drastically change a look of a charcter morph by changing the texture,even still ANYONE can see the fact that in those two pics you posted the AMG character STILL looks a lot more like Vicki. i still see no resemblence. i still see nothing that makes this package any more special than any other ive seen, other than having AMG's name on it. DAZ has done better textures, so have some of you here at Rosity. With access to a super model for reference and the resoureces DAZ has, I would think this product would have come out a lot better, a lot sharper, a lot more detailed, a lot more realistic, and look a lot more like her as it says its supposed to.

lol there should be a EULA for the EULA... or some sort of agreement before the product is made, that the model understands and agrees to the NORMAL EULA, or doesnt do it. no changes will be allowed to be made after. afterall who's doing who the favor? that would solve the prob right there methinks.

noone else on earth looks like her? nor does this "digital clone" (which i also adressed here: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=1259173) and shown by Caly's post... is till think it looks more like Vicki. Maclean: of course, we get that drift. Most of us are so accustomed to normal EULA's that we wouldnt think to have to read this particular one for any special notes of use or restrictions, so some people have bought this w/o knowing these restrictions, and are in general more confused than upset. we dont have to buy it to read it, nor do we have to buy it to disagree with it or think that its a bit over the top. we have a right to this opinion, esp in the prospect of, liek gabe has said, more people putting out more EULA's like this. we just wanna know our rights. DAZ obviously compeletely understands these concerns as well, or else they would not be revising it. they want us to like it. They want us to buy it. They see now changes are needed for the good of all. to clear the air and put an end to all this confusion.

omg do i get carried away or what?!? again, my apologies ;)

forgot to copy post since i took too long, timed out and lost it, now must retype from memory

screw that ill just paraphrase...;)

turn me into a 3d character, put me naked in a temple with a sword up my hiney and i wouldnt give a damn. but thats not everyone, not everyone would agree, and im not a celebrity, and apparently celebrities have more rules. I dont see how such a 3d render of my skin or body morph would do any harm to my reputation or image. i see how a photo of me doing somehting lewd and down rigth dirty would, but not a cg image for cryin out loud. but thats not everyone. AMG has the right to tell us what we can and cant do with her texture/morphs, that doesnt mean everyone will listen, your right, nor does it mean we have to agree and buy it.

The main thing i was talking about in my post that just disappeared of the face of the planet, is DAZ. Gabe is right- i dont see how this is so new and creative and special. for them to DO, yes, for us to see, no. But further more, its not a product i would buy anyway. It says human replica, digital clone, blah blah...im lookin at these promos and i see a pleather Barbie. that means NO offense to AMG, we all know the texture turnout has nothing to do with her, that was DAZ's doing. this does NOT look like a realistic human character to me, they are telling me it is, i dont see it. Nor do i see how it is a "clone" of AMG... im lookin at her photos and lookin at these promos and im sorry but i dont see the slightest resemblence. I would never in a million years recognize this as AMG. it could be anyone for all i know.

DAZ is askin if they should continue these "digital clones" in the future. If they are all gonna be of similar quality then i say no. I think DAZ has put out better character pack than this before, and i see this as a disappointment because of that. The texture doesnt seem very hi res, i made a reference to pleather, its very plasticated to me, the details seem washed out somehow in places where it needsit, or overly detailed liek the lips, i dont think thats very realistic looking. maybe the promos are just bad, i dont know. They have done better before, there are better textures here at Rosity, this "clone" looks nothing like AMG, so i fail to see why they think this is so special. i honestly believe that without the brand name there wouldnt be much to sell on this. this "clone" to me just looks like a dial morphed vicki, with what could have been a default low res vicki texture, yet i like the defult v3 texture they made a LOT better.

I would expect to be blown away by realism and resemblance, if this were to be such a "digital clone" and im not. I think they could have done a lot better. i would think that by their reputation and the respect that i have for DAZ they would have done better. i would think that with their staff and technical as well as material resources they should have done better.

so no, if this is what we are to expect as "digital clones" from DAZ, no i dont think they should do any more. and if the celebrity subject had a better idea of what the quality of a photo-realistic texture should be, or the potential at least (judging by the realistic textures we have seen around) that the celebrity would feel the same way. so i dont think its up to par. i mean if this were a TRUE digital clone of AMG, of course we'd be clamoring for it. look at the characters made by the people whove done the Final Fantasy and Anamatrix movies, THAT is 3d realism. THAT blows me away.

maybe they dont have those kind of technical resources, but we've all seen what you can do with Vicki in ther 3rd party apps... i in no way mean to sound biased or liek im pushing Gabe here, but i see how he does his stuff so i am intimately familiar with his products more than i am anyone elses (which is why im gonna use specifically him as an example), so lets take the Mil girl for example... then look at what he did with her to make Nia. I am not the only person who sees that as a superbly realistic body. That wasnt done using body scanners or any sort of hi-tech equipment. I see other promos by people here whove also used 3rd party apps to make amazingly realistic bodies, and they dont have that type of equipment either. So if all you guys can make such realism with our normal every day 3D apps, i would certainly expect more from DAZ.

Vicki, ok i can see where shed have to be a generalization of the average female model to appease the general population and base use. but i think all that should be put aside if you are making a clone of someone.. it should be the relative height, weight, body style of the subject, and i dont see this clone as lookin anythign liek AMG's body, judging by her own photos. it still looks like vicki to me. i dunno, i would assume a body scan of her would produce something more realistic, and if not, then it could be tweaked, just as you all do with vicki in your 3rd party apps, which takes nothing away from vicki's functionality, just a loss in versatility as she wouldnt fit vicki's clothes right?if they are goin for realism who cares if she can fit vickis clothes. im sure someone will make AMG clothes to fit ;) but hey maybe thats why this body looks more like Vicki than it does AMG. which gives us a false clone, that defies the purpose of being a clone. lol ;) if i was a clone, i certainly wouldnt fit vicki's clothes now would i? so poo thats not realism to me.

so much for paraphrasing ;) sorry!!! ;)

anyway you get my drift and ive bored you enough..lets see about this new EULA...

Theres many texture/morph/character packs made from/of "real" people (and celebrities too) we do it all the time, its the best reference. Not everyone does celebrities due to uncertain copyright restrictions (off the top of my head i know for certain theres a really good and very recognizable Angelina Jolie morph here at Renderosity tho) but its been done. DAZ's V3, the 3d model for your texture was made from a professional model, morphed from her, texture as well. so hes got a point there. but skin is skin is skin, whether its you or anyone for that matter, so why all the restrictions? you feel that harm would come out of certain types of renders, so I guess what we are all really just curious about is WHY you may feel rendered pictures of your texture, morph or no, would cause you any harm to person or reputation. the commercial aspect i can see clearly, if someone intends to make money of your own skin i can see why youd want a restriction, or shoot at least a cut right ;) but for personal use, esp from the hobbyists that make up this community, thats hard to swallow because we are so accustomed to buying our textures and morphs and knowing we can use them to all our creative extents, no harm ever intended. So dont take all these posts the wrong way, or take them personally against you, when someone makes such restrictions to a EULA (you dont know about the ragings that went on about the Poser 5 EULA..whew..), the artists here take things liek that really seriously..no one lieks being told what they can and cant do, and even more so if they dont understand or agree to why they cant do these things. that (ugh dont even get me started) singer Shakira, apparently painted a picture of Monica Lewinsky suckin a carrot, or somethin of the sort, and sold it to one of her record execs, or someone of the sort. Im sure if monica saw that painting she wouldnt be thrilled about it either, monica isnt sueing shakira. and im not sure bout copyrights or rights to the person being painted, celebrity or no.. i mean if someone paints a pic of me naked bangin a tree (for the worst example possible..memories of Evil Dead..ahhh...)w/o my consent would i even be able to sue? if not who gives a fuck, just because they see someones painting, doesnt mean they think omfg Rio is a tree-fucker! or that everyone would assume some bad impression of me by seeing someons else painting... and if i WAS able to sue, why would i need to have restrictions telling people they cant make these pics of me, when i know they cant and i can bust their asses for it anyway? this changes i know for public personalities, as they become a sort of copyrighted trademark. which is why many art sites wont let anyone post pics of celebrities no matter how tasteful or well done. so this a lot of us know. and speaking of which id liek to know flat out is it compeltely illegal to paint a celebrity w/o their consent for that reason? either way that changes by your aadding your additions to the EULA, then whther its legal or not, by buyin that texture you MUST consent to the agreement, so if you say no, that means no, and if we dont liek it, we wont buy it. and a lot of people arent gonna like it, and tons of sales will be lost because of it. its nothin personal against you, im sure we can understand the reason for these additions, but as i said before, we take our EULA's very seriously, if we cant post what we wanna post, let alone post at all.... i think what we are lookin from from you since youve decided to join us, is maybe you can give us your perspective as a celebrity as to why you feel you need protection from these possible lude sorts of renders, or even just a naked render of the texture (a pic im pretty sure would hardly be recognizeable as you in our collective opinions, by comparing the promos to your photos, i dont see a resemblance at all, no offense), how you feel they would affect you as a person. We know now from you why the restrictions were made, maybe you could tell us why you feel they needed to be made, what this protection is for, and how harm to you as person or reputation could come from a 3d render of your product. we'd finally hear it from a direct celebrity source, as im sure we all really appreciate you taking part in this conversation, that was awesome of you to do so. ;)

ahem no comment on those "wonderful gift ideas" you evil hamster....

Ok maybe im missin the big picture here guys but whats the big deal? DAZ has made a texture from a celebrity. this pack has an insanely restrictive EULA thats makin ya'll think twice about buying..... ummm im lookin at the promos here and i dont whats so special. Judging by these promos this is not a texture i would buy, ive seen better from DAZ...shoot honestly i liked the default V3 one they put out a lot better. For that matter, ive seen much better here at rosity (esp by a ahem a person we all know and love but i get to cuddle evil grin)and for much better prices. Thats no offense to Ms Goddard, she could have the best skin on the planet, but that doesnt mean DAZ will make the best texture on the planet from her. shoot i think Halle Berry is the most drop dead gorgeous woman alive, but if they used her and the promos were similar to these, i wouldnt buy it either. again im only judging by these promos, but i really just dont think this is such a good tex. Just cuz you have access to hi-res photos, let alone ones of a celebrity, doesnt mean you'll create the most photo-realistic texture from them. creating a good hi-res texture is more than just pasting together pieces of skin. even if it is celebrity skin. This is like goin out and seein this pair of Gucci pumps that will match perfectly with your new cocktail dress...and they're Gucci!...but they are a bit expensive and your husband will prolly kill ya... but they're Gucci!... so you HAVE to have them anyway no matter what.. Cuz they're Gucci!...but then you get them home and realize you will never be able to wear them because they crunch the hell out of your toes and give you mad blisters, etc.. oh but they are Gucci! So what, this texture is so special and worth frettin because it has a brand name on it? is it really worth it? just cuz its covered in glitter dont mean its gold folks. go look at the promos again...then go look at other hi-res texture promos DAZ has. go to our MP and look at some promos here. block out the brand name and take a second look. I mean guys you can go to Walmart and pick up a pair of pumps that will not only match your entire wardrobe, but feel like your bedroom slippers, no blisters, and look great in jeans, and even better naked in a temple holdin your sword. (and still have enough $ left over to take your girlfriends out to lunch.)

squooshes her puter slug Hooray for Laurie!!

rotf@chuck!!!!!!!!!! actually i have an optical mouse too..still gettin a callous! ;) i use a mouse pad cuz w/o one it wears away the pretty finish on my desk :( so i must protect it! "my" cards?! lolololol! youre so cute ;) BRAVO to Laurie!!! I think we have a winner!!!!!!! see she didnt wuss out on us! go girl!

Always remember the most important piece of equipment you will ever own is a great chair! :) Amen!!! ahem baba dear

stares at baba's weirdly purple thumb

lol silly i HAVE a mouse pad.. it doesnt matter, as long as you drag your wrist you'll get one ;) lol i JUST noticed this liek 5 min ago... how funny... we are the silly ones ;)

wow! how incredibly awesome of you to share this! thanks!!!! would make a good article for the magazine too! hint hint ;) really thanks!! ;) Rio