I've asked admin as I don't know the answer. I'll get back to you with a reply as soon as I hear. If it needs to be removed I will post a notice in the gallery & in the forum FIRST. I do try not to make the same mistake twice. Shoshanna

Helgard, any member who received a warning should have been told the specific reason/s at the time. Your request has not fallen on 'deaf ears' each point you raised has been answered in the above thread. We cannot remove a warning from a members account. Both I & karen have done our best to listen to your request and tried to answer it... "If someone releases a product, which is legal at the time of release, and the site rules change, making that product illegal, then the product must obviously be removed" Yes that is true, however these copyright violations were not 'legal' in the first place. The rules have not changed. Being in Renderositys freestuff section is not now and never has been a valid method of checking or proving the legal status of anything as far as I am aware. "But for someone to get a warning noted on their member record seems unfair to me. At the time when they released that product or freebie they were breaking no rules, and the product was released in good faith. To receive a warning means that any merchant can be guilty of a "future crime", which is not valid under any legal system in the world." This is not about Merchants. This is about freestuff. The copyright violation had already happened. It was never 'legal'. We didn't pick it up fast but that doesn't mean it was okay at the time. If you find out that someone else is giving away an item of yours without your permission & against your wishes in 6 months time, do you think there should be no consequences for their actions just because they got away with it for 6 months? This is not about items which used to be okay. It is about items that never were okay but had been overlooked. Some of them for years. "So I request that Renderosity removes all warnings from merchant accounts that have resulted in this new change of policy. I think this is a fair request" As Karen & I have both said - to rescind a warning (whether or not you are a merchant) the person who received it needs to appeal to Spike by im or email as he is the admin in charge of this area and will not deal with individual membership reviews in a public forum. If you have not personally received such a warning he would not engage in such correspondence anyway. Coordinators & Moderators do not have the authority to make decisions on rescinding warnings. "A couple of members for specific reasons I won't go into received warnings about thier freestuff." Only the member involved can request & receive this information which does not get divulged in a public forum. This is part of our tos - we respect member confidentiality. And would those members ever be told why they were singled out? If a member received a warning and wasn't sure why, they can always email or im the mod/coord who issued the warning and ask them. If it was issued by a Mod or Coord they would prefer not to contact, they can always contact another member of staff who deals with their specific area and ask them to find out why. It should have been explained in the warning notificiation. mickmca - if you want to know how many official warnings you have all you have to do is ask by im or email. Shoshanna

I don't get to live in Adminsville, but speaking as a Poser mod... Why now? The whole 'cleaning up freestuff' has actually been going on for a couple of months. Very few members who have been contacted about questionable items have actually received a warning out of over 1000 items which have been reviewed during this time. This was going on before the PayPal thing. It's nothing to do with it. Why then (a couple of months ago that is)? Because that's when we finally got a coordinator in who 1) Was willing to take this specific job on (it's a mammoth task) 2) Is pretty good at recognising a lot of this stuff 3) I think does a difficult, thankless & time consuming job very well. If you've watched the header you'll see we've had a fair few people try out as a coordinator/moderator - it's not for everyone. Before then freestuff was approved by anyone with a bit of spare time to do it - which doesn't necessarily mean they are going to recognise a copyright infringement. We've all got full time jobs IRL and I don't think any of the mods or coords here are copyright specialists. So, we make mistakes - we may even let a few other things through by accident in the future. That doesn't make it okay for people to submit copyright violations to freestuff. Yes, the staff here do read the tos - I think I could recite it in my sleep. Members have been asking for freestuff to work properly for some time - having working links to existing downloads along with not having items which contain copyright infringements and/or trademark issues is a step towards freestuff working properly. Why not tell everyone? Well, you can put that down to me being an idiot - I thought everyone already knew they were supposed to follow tos here and members asked for freestuff to be fixed. We were just doing what we've always been trying to do - our job. It was not intended to be discourteous. If anyone feels offended that we didn't announce we might get better at doing what we've always been supposed to do then I apologise. This is not a new rule, just an old one being enforced more rigorously. This is not related to the Paypal thing. I'm a mod not a Market Place Manger so they don't tell me stuff like that & as I said, we've been trying to get someone to sort out freestuff for ages. As far as the MarketPlace & it's policies goes - that is a completely seperate issue to Poser Freestuff & completely outside my control. You'd have to ask ClintH or DebbieM. about that. Amongst other things RMP testers do check for copyright/trademark violations - just like all the other stores. Warnings. If a member violates the tos and receives an official warning then yes it gets noted down. If they don't get another one within a year it doesn't count anymore - they can have it removed. Very few members who do get a warning for anything ever get a second warning. Most members never receive one at all. Why punish the members for the laxness and incompetency of the Staff over the course of several years in policing? I haven't been doing this for several years so I don't know about before I got conned into doing this job, but I think that's highly unfair. We do our best - it's not always good enough but it's what we do. I don't see the problem with us trying to be more consistent. Members have repeatedly asked us to apply the tos in a more consistent way. Part of that means making sure that freestuff follows the rules too. Just because we didn't do a good enough job before doesn't seem like a good reason to keep on being "lax" or "incompetent". Members aren't being "punished." A couple of members for specific reasons I won't go into received warnings about thier freestuff. How many people do you actually see posting "I got a warning for my freestuff being in violation of copyright/trademark law" or "my friend got a warning" in all these recent posts? Shoshanna

Good suggestion cagewench. We're trying to get enough time to gather all of these together and have them at one easily found link when the community page gets reorganized. Probably going to take a couple of weeks though to get it sorted as I've got a fair bit to do at the moment. Shanna

Khai as I said above if a member feels they received a warning unfairly, they are free to appeal to Spike and request the matter is reviewed. Warnings do get issued in error & later removed. Members agree not to infringe copyright/trademark as part of the terms of service here - our failure to catch a violation before it went into freestuff does not negate the members personal responsibility to follow the rules.

No comments in this thread were deleted by staff so I've no idea why they are gone.

Our freestuff coordinator karen is working very hard to wade through years of freestuff.
She is also checking & removing all the dead links so that freestuff finally ought to work.

We are still going to make mistakes & let items through which shouldn't be there - we don't recognise everything so if you see an item with copyright or trademark issues please contact karen so she can check it out.

We are working to get freestuff to fall into line with our terms of service here as it always should have.
This is not a new thing, we just didn't have enough people onboard before to tackle such a massive task.

This process has been going on for over a month & is expected to take up to a year to complete.

If anyone feels they received a warning for multiple copyright/trademark violations which they shouldn't have then I would suggest they contact Spike and request a review.

Getting one warning is not exactly the end of the world however unless you have already received multiple warnings for other issues.
A warning can be reviewed & removed at the members request if no further violations take place within a year.

Shoshanna

edited to add: Copyright & trademark violations which are being removed from freestuff were violations before they were removed. Just because we made mistakes in approving items that does not make a copyright infringement okay to upload.

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Please take the politics discussion to the Den or I'll have to bin this thread. It's heading so far off topic now it's practically in orbit & it began as Poser relevant which is the only reason it's still here. Thanks, Shoshanna

There is currently a problem with uploading images to the site. The programmers are aware of this and are working to fix it but this may take some time. I would suggest you try again in a couple of hours. Shoshanna Poser Moderator.

So the staff can help you. Shoshanna

Unfortunately I can't edit the subject line in a post so the only way to remove it is to delete the entire thread from the forum. Shanna.

Guilty as charged maclean - I deleted the post. On the plus side of the exchange rate problem, it does mean that everything else for Poser is cheap :-) Shanna

I'll ask you nicely... please don't put the word fuck in the subject line again. Next time the whole thread will just get deleted. This one still may and that will be the reason why - I'm not sure how site Admin will feel about this staying in a family friendly forum because of that word. Apart from one personal attack which has been removed from this thread, as mod I certainly don't have a problem with the topic but I'm VERY unimpressed with the subject line. Just keep the bashing about generalities or companies with some reason behind it & NOT about individuals please. note: Mods (whichever site they are on) ARE groups of individuals & bashing them is a personal attack. Shoshanna ps. As a member - I'm a Brit so it cost me more than I thought it should to buy Poser 5. Very annoying when you purchase a downloadable version for nearly twice what the boxed version was going for in the states at the time. But nobody made me buy it - I could have just stuck with Poser 4.

Attached Link: http://www.fignations.com/jelisa/tutorials/c4d1.html

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Model your dress as one item.
Divide up your model by setting selection tags for each group you want your item to have in Poser then use the Split to Object plug in available free from the attached link to split the selections into seperate obj.

Shoshanna

edited for typos :-)

Message edited on: 11/21/2004 05:40