@ Bondware

Did you know the best method to prevent Theft or Piracy of Private Property ! In your case Poser :

It would be in this case 1: Make sure that none has interest in it 2: If none has Interest in it it will not be stolen 3: you are on the best way to reach this target. By any means who would invest in something from 3rd Party if you can just shut it all down ? " Do not bring the excuse Others did so we also do " as it is your decision to Running it that way.

If you buy a Car and there is no one that Provides energy to run it , how useful will it then be ? in short terms where there is nothing to steal there will nothing be stolen! so your strategy with the Phone home is a little out of Place for this form of Product.

this strategy will most likely end up that in a way that Creators and customers will turn the back on or only take it if there is a cure for this disease. you should also update the rules that you not only rent the access to Poser but also to all the 3rd Party 3d stuff provided that you do not really own as you have full control over it by now.

!!Statement Release !! for information's sake...we didn't START The Poser software calling home. That has been in place since Poser Pro 2014. And we intend to continue it. There is a path to extend the time allowed before the software is required to phone home again. But otherwise this is what it is and will not be changing.

It was to be expected and I think that most Knew already " Sometimes we just want to hear the facts "

I support Poser allot even if it is with "Fan Art" I do my best to get Impressive models for Poser and since I do it I even give more then half out for free for a Period of time! This situation is making me feel really baad " Not because I fear that they could shut my SM Poser down as this will not happen " I feel baad for the customers that invest as much as they can by buying models for Poser and have to fear that one day it will say " Game Over " they will loose it all not only Poser but also there whole collections.

especially now that La Femme and future models will not be supported downwards. so for those they better make sure that they invest in products that are downwards compatible or at least with DS . In case of another shut down like the one with Smith Micro " Trust your Instinct " and not in what they tell you to make a Profit.

on my side I feel bad as the models I release are very neat it also makes Publicity For poser , it helps them gain customers for something I do not agree at all. How will I feel if one day my customers will not be able to use what I offered to them because of the Poser owners ?

I know of allot of People that save up for a model as they have not much for a living ! some do not even have a Internet connection at home they go to a Internet Cafe. some can not really afford having a stable internet connection " Even I am not in Possession of a home Internet I use my mobile phone to access it " if I need a better line I have to go to the restaurant !!!

Getting to the Point is ... this system make Sportring costumers depend on that call home feature " Not the Pirates as these do not care " they make sure that there collections can not be Locked by any other instance. If it goes down like it did with SM then the costumers will suffer . And believe me they already search for a Possibility to ensure that there older 11.1 Poser versions can remain activated " It is like the farmer that will take out hes shotgun to protect hes Property " as these for sure do not even want to risc loosing there entire runtimes build in the ast decades. These even invested in expensive Backup drives to Prevent any loss. so how far do you think a collector will go to protect he's stuff ???

Bondware !! what you do is just totally wrong ! towards the Creators and Towards the customers , and now I have to feel baad for every Item I sell towards my customers as I have to tell them that they depend on that Call home Kill Switch using there models in the next decades.

Poser alone is not worth anything if you do not have the Creators for it, if you do not have these to support it , if you loose the ones who teach others how to use it and these who will tell others how great it is . as there will not remain many that will be able to do so with a good conscience

@Glitterati3D I think based on your arguments that you rather try to Flame then to be of any part of a Discussion , I am not sure what your aiming is. sure you can cause that a thread gets closed but that is not very Productive at any means it is just Primitive. compared to most with some little exceptions you have not brought up any reasonable text concerning any of the Arguments or thoughts in here. It is not the first time I have seen you act this way as soon as you get the feeling that it is not in your interest you start to attack and Provocate Members of the forums. I remember that this method was common in here a few years ago for the ones who tried to get a thread shut down but for sure it is not the right solution.

there are many concerns in such threads , thoughts of People who take there time to write them down , not saying that they are wrong or right but they might be Important for some . Also I might be wrong I might be right , it does not matter they are thought arguments and there is no need for someone who tries to destroy it all in any possible way. I do not believe that you are a Borderline that actually would be excused for hes behavior.

Actually all these arguments that at the end will just be some forgotten notes in a forum are eating up allot of time that I could use to make some models. since all the changes I sure lost allot of time and spend more time in here then on creativity. I guess it is the worries a loss of trust on the ones who have Poser. there is allot to loose actually more then could be gained, as no one hears you Bondware as well Smith Micro do not really care.

@ EClark1894 I also have my issues with DS and actually having a hard time " Moral " to get into it ... I have a little basic in it as I had to check how it worked to make sure what is compatible. Meanwhile I got the Installers so I can get over it and spend once in a while an eye on it. Sure there might be some restrictions compared to Poser but like in Poser it can be solved as I also had to figure out some alternative actions to improve the modeling . It is not the Program it is me " Stubborn sitting on Poser " Life is a learning process and if a change would solve problems and issues why not ? at least if I give it a shoot I can keep it aside so if I ever would jump it would not be to high , I would know the basics and not end up into frustrations ....

Hey we have to admit some of there models look awesome Poser can't give any match at the moment and will probably not be able to catch up on what is offered we just have to face reality, not letting things get old like we are but get you younger thing to keep us young . If a Fundament gets destroyed it will not be possible to build a House on it. Keeping the Older poser versions to make things DS can not like a Plugin to export them as Daz models like with other Programs it is all only a question about willing to learn and find alternative ways if something does not work anymore the way we were used to it.

@ Glitterati3D I guess you hang around at DA TA FR CG now tell me if Fan Art would be as illegal as you Pretend would they still be here ? would renderosity be here ? would Daz still runn he's site. I guess not ! they would shut down Poser shut down DS and most of these Sites .. you should not frequent such places as hey ... they have fan Art and it is Ilegal .. they are all Pirates you know ! exploitation of the world that is how Humans are !

Glitterati3D posted at 5:36PM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371888

EClark1894 posted at 9:06AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371875

BTW, gate, I do have you listed in my Directory as a vendor owned website. Considering how you obviously feel about paying for stuff, do you pay for that website, or is it pirated?

Given that everything ON the site is ripped game models, I would have to say that's a very valid question.

It takes some real brass ones to come into a website, preach a sermon about copy protection, explain how to break copy protection, and then use the very vendors who sell legitimate, LEGAL products as pawns in his little game.

My only question is why does this common thief still have an account here

I guess it is because it is only you that is pretending such , I know that you have for whatever reason some issues with me and I do not ask that you have to like me or have an affair with me , for sure a witch hunt would not be very appropriate for your frustrations . If I really were like you pretend such a Mafiosi then I probably would be your worst nightmare . I Probably am already your Nightmare but it is what you are making out of it :)

the easy way to argue is to say, Frow em out, get rid of them , Kill them ... but will you be able to hold the gun , or are you the one who tries to tell others to do so? I forgive you Glitterati3D as you are no match wen it comes to arguments you never were.

@ EClark1894 It is obvious that I pay for the website but it is not a budget breaker now day's for hosting I got my self a Lifetime membership . So if I pay for something I sure want to get what I pay for , guess it is common sense. ( I have a good sense for the ones who have Less for the ones who have more and for sure I would not ripp of one who has issues Paying hes bill ) We have enough egoists in this world I think I do not want to be one of them.

I actually never experienced a thing like it happen with bond-ware " There was a glitch at the time with the activation of Poser 11.1 that the licence got corrupted through the setup room " Smith Micro gave me support at the time and removed the activation on my Computer "

This Support will never happen again as we can see. well for the ones who have a legit licence it would not matter how they activate there Poser versions and I guess in such a case one would bet better help from a Hacker then from Bondware.

The thing is also that I am sure that my Personal Info and account with Licence got sold to Bondware then how would they of known and send me a Mail. actually it is Smith micro that would had to give notification but not posersoftware. I have no account there and could not make any. I am not sure how you feel about this but if it is ok for you that your Personal Info is sold out it is your thing , some others do not really like such a facts. ( For me it gives me the feeling that way more got Pirated then just a 3D Product ) If I see one of my Products out there I don't make it a big deal. But this case here is leading that someone is trying to make Profit with my Personal info and Licence. this would sure be an other kind of Piracy but still Piracy.

ok did not know this expression tinfoil Hat

What does it mean to wear a tinfoil hat? Saying someone is "wearing a tin foil hat" or "is a tin foil hat" means that they have paranoia or a belief in conspiracy theories, especially involving government surveillance or paranormal beings. Originally, the term referred to the practice of wearing headgear consisting of metal foil to block mind-reading.

I do not think that I have any Paranoia or believe in conspiracy when I bring up facts ... you should know better then that and also your "gaslighting" comment is a little out of place here as there were no comments directed to you personally you rather seem the one to attack others personally . I do not understand your way of Interpretation in an global argument taking things Personally " unless you would be somehow involved "

"Please quote where I am Personally Aggressin you " and by any means if you feel somehow personally attacked it was not my purpose

If you were reading the whole not only what is psychologically affecting your personal issues you would not pretend that I said it would be a dictatorship in here. These are your words not mine Oki :) I said that your Country was under dictatorship until 1985 ... well so much for reading things LOL

so see it is your choice to go out the door not mine everyone can chose he's own path.

@Afrodite-Ohki About the Costs .... Most tecnical support is given by private for free ... Product testing Freelancer they get the Product for free you do not even know who it is after the testing period they even get some free presents of there choice from other vendors in most cases ... 3D users scream for such a job to access new stuff for free . Advertising mostly free from users that own a website and Creators or Consumers.

I am not pretending that you are stupid I rather think that yo are intelligent, you just think that you have no other choice ! the easy way is not always the best way.

@ Afrodite-Ohki

I do not hate Renderosity ! I feel sorry on how they treat there feeding hands ... to make a change you have to mention your thoughts else there will never be any . they will think " it is ok the way it is " as no one say's anything ! you should know better as you are from brazil until 1985 under dictatorship.

Do you have a own site with store ? and if can you advertise here ? but if you sure can advertise for Renderosity ? see they would expect others to advertise for them but never advertise for others it always will go on one direction . sure you get 60% if it is exclusive but then you can not even sell it privately on your own site ! you will not get what you deserved for the whole work !

No doubt it is your decision no one forcing you but i Know how you feel every month when you realize how much that little space cost's for all you done, would it be a little more it would be helpfull for your bills as you work really hard for your creations.

these are not your words Oki these are words they use ! the door out is on the house, if you don't like it then just go !

I am not selling here I just feel baad for others that are not treated the way they deserve to be treated that's all.

I have seen all these great support of Creators adding there creations to make Poser Interesting , they invested allot of time giving Bondware a great Present to have a great start of, these Artists " Creators " make free Publicity for Renderosity For Poser , they support where they can without expecting any thank you !

They Increased the Poser Library by 8 gig woow all free all for Renderosity , they Pay a fee of 50 % of there work to rent a little space in a store, they support Poser help Newbies understand and solve Problems ... All For Free ... this is a Phenomenon but what do you get for it ... do you get understanding do you get any thank you " NO " the only thing you get is to realize that you are just a cheap Slave of the owner of Poser " Hey be happy we give you the opportunity to use Poser "

I think that there is not much respect for what the Artists do , rather a disrespect by adding such restrictions and making them depend on a call home that might be one day to force a Monthly payment in addition of 50% fee to sell an item !

I know how much work it is to make a freebie but think of it ... who did them !!! who is giving out free stuff !!?? and who is not !! normaly it is a give and take but how it seems now it is just a take " They will advertise >>> We give you the new Poser for 99$ with 8 gig of content < " so you just gave them more Power with these gifts . Ask them for a favor and they will Ignore you no matter how small it will be !

Sure give them time ... give them gifts .... offer them your time your life ... will they do the same for you ?

Black Friday well who gives the gifts ? Is it the creator or is it Renderosity ? the answer is it is the Creator ! Renderosity does not give gifts they gift what others did nothing else.

I believe that a huge damage already has been done, my guess is that allot of people search when confronted with such a situation like the actual call home feature and taking down the 11.1 versions for alternative way's and they find it quick in Google . the search will not only answer there request and give them a solution it will lead them to places where they will get most of Poser content for free !!!

Renderosity will not get a damage as they earn for each and every sale a 50% it works cumulative , the artist has the whole work from creating publishing etc and will get the other half for all hes work unique ( Not cumulative ) he will be the looser and believe me None will give a darn about it ! there are almost no new product that are skipped.

For most Customers Poser is a luxury they have barely the possibility to afford it once in a while they will make them selves a little present to keep smiling ... get the feeling to also be an artist. believe me I have allot of such persons on my site and I help where I can to make em happy without ripping em off !

But this system here is a ripp off! more and more trying to get every dime out of the creators and the customer's Pocket. trying to get control of them but the result will rather be a Bumerang then a Profitable strategy.

My thoughts : all my new creations depend on the mood of Renderosity even my Site! will they support Poser, will they shut it down, will I have to Pay every month to have all my work of the last decade still working , Believe me I am not at all willing to do so !

where do you think that the fiances come from for Poser they come from these 50% taken from creators and now it es also abused with a call home to control the feeding hands as a great thank you ( Well sorry Smith micro did it ) do you really believe this ?

you little Creator will not even earn enough to Pay your Bills while they laugh at you driving there high end cars and living in a Palace. If you ask them a simple question tell them your worries they will ignore you, If they answer it will be like spitting in your face as they do not care, they care only about increasing there Income and prosperity.

If you have a closer look at it all there is less and less Poser models sold even at rendo the past month some new artists that were supporting Poser only start making stuff for DS. And not even the signs make em realize what is going on . I said before the ones who jump off ship and realize to get better support form elsewhere will not turn back ! I was admiring 1971s that was making Poser stuff but now this product line also goes to DS and on and on it goes ... the development is silent artists do not want to loose time with arguments about a lost thing ... they just leave.

Customers will realize more and more that DS has to offer better quality things because they will have the better Creators " I really believe that this Kill Switch is causing a irreparable Damage to the Poser communities.

After some conversations with Smith micro it all resulted with simple answers that make no sense . when you wish having a Justification or insist having your Previous Purchased Versions active they repeat that Bondware is in charge ( This gives the answer that they sold the Customer's Info and Personal Serials )

It is the type of system the Chinese use un there Fraud sites when you buy something and do not get what you ordered, very difficult to get them and not worth it. after a conversation with my cousin I was told that the only way in such cases is not to make future Investments in doubtful product-lines !

For Creators this situation is really a Pain, you start to depend on a system that can be shut down from one day to another .... All these Vendors , all these artists all these Sites that make Publicity and support Poser , If Poser ever gets an Issue with the call home like we seen now with Poser Game Dew and Poser 11.1 it could be shut and pull in all these above mentioned supporters ! not to mention all the customers that Invested by buying 3D models for it. Bondware has now full controll over all these and can just do as they wish ( They did not only buy the Program ) they bought every creator every artist that uses that Program.

There might be allot who say ( Great Rendo got Poser and will support it ) but if one morning you will get the same notification like the one from Smith Micro " Grace Period Over " this will mean " Game Over " will you then as silent as you accepted the new facts accept these and say " Oh well all my Investments went down the Drain "

they now can tell you from one day to another " Pay every month a Fee else you will not be able to use what you Purchased " most would as it is a great fear that they cant Access all the have collected.

I know all this has no weight in here and does not change the facts or the future, at least I could write my worries about this Kill switch system and doubtful future for Poser. Good Programmers might be of help to get rid of that call home for the ones who wish having there old versions running Smith Micro is not willing to do so either is Bondware.

I started to Install some other Programs also DS having a closer look at them to see if it would be a better alternative also see if there Communities are more reasonable. From my side I will not be supporting any future Poser versions that have that call home feature and Feed that Industry so if Rendo Plans to keep that system on future releases I just will not get these just as I did not Update to Poser 11.2