That's what I figured. I'll give a try tommorow. Thanx!

ya got poor steph looking pretty butch there. ;-)

Far as SnowSultans comment about reselling lighting sets...Didn't that already happen? Rusulting in a big giant flame war and the booting of some member... Before my time but I've heard bits and pieces of the story.

Thers' a whole other thread covering this. Apparently he's bailing because of bandwidth theft and other people selling his stuff. The usual Bullsh*t that drives really cool freebie artists outa the market. Personally I think he should just open up a store. IMHO Jon

Really people, this is starting to sound like a schoolyard. He said, she said... blah blah blah. Over and done with, can we just move on already?

Ok, I won't bore you with the needless details of my transformation from being bullied to bullying to my eventual redemption. But to give some perspective from the other side I'd hafta agree with legume on this one. Being a bully is all about power. The need for for power, and by seeking out those that are weak, different and easily intimidated an illision of power is created. Ever think why bullies pick the ones they do? Because it's easy. You get that little bit of power without risk. Introduce real risk, the risk of injury, risk of punishment, risk of embarrasment, and that target becomes no longer... well, no longer a target. The only way to deal effectively with a bully is to push back. Sorry but passivism just makes it easier. When Ziggy decides to run he's giving his power away. And he's not the only one to suffer for this, egged on by their success theses bullies will joyously seek out more victims with increased viciousness. So yea, Ziggy has my sympathy. But not my respect. Stand and fight, complain, stir the pot, enlist friends in your cause. Any of these is better than running and depriving yourself of something that is obviously important to you. as always Just My Humble Opinion Jon

PS.. Spudgirl, took a look at your gallery. Yer a perfect example of what I'd rather see. You're still learning but your concepts contain more than just Figure+prop+pose+blank stare+silicone implant morph and render. You've obviously put some thought into your subject matter, context and layout. As your technical skills increase those give ya more than just a pretty render. But that's just me. IMHO Jon

Pretty much in agreement with ya there Chuck. It's not quality or technical ability, if anything on a technical basis there are alot of great renders being posted. For me it's just the repetition of imagery. I'd rather see an original idea excuted poorly than another cookie cutter pristine render. IMHO....Jon

Palette is a tool?... Depend on what definition you're using, but I'm not gonna get into that argument. The point is, which I believe we both agree, is that the availibilty of pre-made settings for poser inevidibly leads to repetition. Why do the endless parade of "Nude Vicky in a Temple" images none the less keep getting lions shared of hits? Duh, the same reason that Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, etc etc etc ad nauseum keep selling despite repitious photography, poses and subjects. Sex sells. Can we attribute that to the Judeo/Christian Puritan morality that this country was founded on? I dunno, probably. Personally this whole thread has lead me to re-examine my own gallery of images. For the most part I guess I do fall into that category that has been so derided in this and many other threads. Altho' I'd like to think that I have a tad bit more artistic merit than the river of banality that dominates the galleries. whatever, tired now. IMHO Jon

Speaking of Importing Poser into Vue. I've been looking at purchasing Vue4.1 specifically for what I've heard as its great relationship with Poser. I've also read in past about problem with the mac version. What's the current status?

Jeeze Phil that's just wrong..... ;-) but I like it LOL!

A few points. First the quality and abundance of freebies and items in the marketplace has improved dramatically in the last year. Alot of these things, poses, lights, preset cameras and textures allow users to easily put together a decent looking render by using just presets without actually considering anything except what pieces to use: Texture from Al, Pose by Bob, Lights by Cathy.... Creating this kind of finished looking art is an amazment to someone not use to being able to draw even the simplest figure. So they get proudly posted. The problem is not that we all use the same tools, but that many of the posters are using the same pallet. Give 10 people clay and you'll get 10 different things. However include a few molds, some standard paints and your going to start seeing alot of repetion. Blame the merchants, blame a society that revels in instant gratification, whatever. The amazing thing is not that we see so many cookie cutter images, but every once in a awhile someone manages to make something special using those same cookie cutters. Face it. Talent is a rare thing, just because you increase the membership by 10 fold does not mean your going get even one more talented person. I look at just about every thumbnail in the gallery. I'm looking for one of two things: A really neat image that appeales to me or something that I believe I could make some contribution to, through my critisim. So no I don't things are getting any worse, maybe it's cause I don't expect that much to beging with. But I love being surprised. Just my 2 cents Jon

This is more of a training ground for would be artists and hobbyists than anything else. If you want "real" art this not where you should be. Plenty of sites out there by professions, if that's what you're looking for.

Ditto On Wolf359. The only reason I'm still running OS9 is Quark and Poser...duh. I've been watching the whole Poser5 thing and have not been impressed. If you guys are gonna go right to OSX and release it simutaneously (please please please) I'll be saving my Xmas money for you. Jon ps. noticed you guys are already hinting at an aqua-esque interface. Woo woo! OSX rules!

Nyaahhh nyahhh nyahhh I own a Mac. Havn't had a virus problem in ...hmmmmm... never.