Its really good for those that find it worth while after all this while that the few $s save them hundreds since Vue 4 pro release. I would have bought Vue 4 Pro anytime if I have not heard of problems or 'problems' some user faces. Be it true or not that it works smoothly for some while others not, I'm just kind of concern if I would be in the unlucky lot and that's enough to put me 'off' till I hear all is well. Well, if I can be sure what Vue 5 really is after a few months of its release, I would not hesitate to acquire it even if I have to loose those saving from pre order...at least I know what I'm paying for and concentrate on being creative instead of a 'beta tester'(this one really scares me...LOL!).

"Pre Order price"...I guess there is a price for that. If all works fine, its great for those who believes in buying it before we actually know what it is. How I wish Vue 5 can be a program like DAZ Studio being 'freely' beta tested and potential owner knows what is going on before it open for "special" for the first lot of supportive owner. Till date, I still never understand all this "hush! hush!...can't tell you" thingy that e-on is praticing for each of its new release. When Poser 5 was in development prior to release, either did they practice such move. At any rate and just me for now, I would not put my $$$s for something I have yet not see. Saving that few $$s is a lot I can understand but sometime, is it worth comes what may. Nothing against e-on sales approach to marketing thier product but just conversation in general. Open to public opinion of course.

For all we know..DAZ may just be interested in what you doing. It be great that they contact you and have it somewhat integrated it into their newer version of Bryce..gosh!...who knows?

Hi Len..I'm patient and getting even more patient each time I've to wait...LOL! The longer the wait, sound like PRO RENDER is getting better each time. I know its a lot of work writing the manual but a good one takes time. Take it from here and release PRO RENDER when you are ready. Thanks again for what you been doing.

Wish it was beta tested openly much like DAZ3d doing with their Saz Studio product. We all could have a better feel that way other than what I hurt so much how Vue 4 Pro is doing till date. I've always wanted Vue Pro..not so for animation and rendercow but never get to buy it after so much bad experience by some. Well, Vue 5...may have to be another 'wait see situation' after it is launched.

If all else failed..but at a cost, the solution can be solved with Max plugin call "Polytrans" from Okino. Not sure about Right Hemisphere latest version of "Deep Exploration".

Rules or no rules..am going over to Palntit3d to collect it :) Thank you! Bill

Wow!...this is great! :) Congratulation!

""excellent" images are those with large naked breasts.." LOL!..this is not the first time I heard this...LOL!...good one!

I agreed with Artico and his meaning to it all but like he said, "coward" may be a wrong use of words and I know what he meant. He is VERY right and most of these artist wold never improve with such misleading comment...though one wanna be nice and curteous. One good example is with underwater scene when people mixes fresh water fishes and that of salt water together...LOL! Btw...does one has to have a gallery to prove himself/herself to be worthy of commenting?

About Veritas777...I do not know him or her but if you think he is making trouble, you have my respect as a moderator in your task to take the necessary action you deem fit. "I never delete a thread without informing the original author"..About my comment for Vue 4 Pro, I'll take it from here that it went into cyberspace...anything with computers and electronics does give surprises and if this is the case, I'm take back what I thought. The fact that I brought it out was because it so coincide with that of having V777 post deleted. About video cards that works with Vue 4, I read your post and its a pretty good start. I'm dying to change my video card (applicational graphics rather than games) but because of Vue, I have been holding back. At least we are guided. I have a Oxygen VXD16 3d labs card that initially works beautifully with Vue 4 with Open GL but as the upgrade patch came along...I'm a having problem..even after a clean install of OS and everything else.

"Well to me this is just arrogance on top of arrogance"... I got my comment on "Vue 4 Pro" thread deleted too without any explaination. I don't see anything wrong in my comment base on personal opinion and I was not even @messaged as to why. Is this Vue people COMMUNITY forum or as noted by Veritas777..."You attitude you are presenting here Gebe is very typical of the "Royal Palace of E-On" or..."Apple Polishing? "BTW, You are very loud here, but where are your images??"... Is this the way it goes?...do I have to show images here to voice my opinion about Vue?...may be I can understand better after your explaination. "I have always got good response to any queries"..oh Rokol, that's good for you but I have yet to get any proper answer about the OpenGL issue with Vue...do you happened to have an answer for that one? I really would like to know what video card e-on is using that has no problem when deleveloping Vue all this while and I would love to buy the same card...Gebe said "they tested all the cards" once but that did not work for me.

Thanks for sharing those presentation. How I wish Vue can do this straight from the box without too much messing. Again, great idea you have here!

Thank you for your prompt action...very much appreciated :) Going over now.

Visual concept and overall composition is all right but can be improve and making it more 'dramatic'...like not having the girl back right on the wall but one of her shoulder side way forward and may be cross bow one of her leg a little. Try and raise her eyebrows a little and open up her eye lid more and last but more least, may be you want to repose her with one hand elbow up with clinging like finger poses close to her chattering teeth (have the mouth pull horizontally and open up a bit). I feel that an expression on her face in such a situation she is in is of paramount important. As for the wolf's shadow, it should not be 'translucent'. The shadow should be totally dark and preferrably not too harsh on the edges...mask the edges and give it a mild gaussian blur if post work is needed. Have to watch where the light are coming from especially this is noticeable from where the 'wolf'shadow falls on her in relation to her figure shadow...unless there is another lighting (like a street lamp) in between them. IMHO of course and hope its of help.