YOu see Darth admits it!!!  Cats, 
C is the the third letter in the alphabet times itself it equals 9
A the 1st letter in the alphabet         times itiself it equals to 1
We all know the the letter T is without its' hat looks julst like 1
S as in Superman, leaps over tall buildings....

911 Buildings, Cats =terrorist!!!

On the Aiko issue, I agree it's not a winnable battle, the only thing I truly regret is that many artist have again and again posted TOS violations, and I believe for the most part, with Aiko child nudity wasn't what they were going for, just their point of view
warnings...super great job Mods
temporary suspension of account....super job Mods
But unless an artist is given such warning, then ban, and messes up again....another ban.
A permanent ban should only be issued when it is made very clear that the artist is trying to make child nude imagery.
Let's say I've been banned for a week, I come back and put the same image up, or an image very, very similar, you ban me again, then I come back and do the same thing again....well then it's made clear "hey this guy/gal doesn't give a fork and spoon about the TOS" then a permanent ban.
I think my images don't violate the TOS, but I'm sure some would think they do.  There will be a point when I think someone will say "hey cruzin...that's bad, we took it down because it violated rendo TOS".  I'm not going to agree, because that isn't the intent of the image, but should I be banned forever because when I was rendering I thought she looked  "of age" especially for Anime but the mods, who may be for/against/or don't care for anime think differently.

I'm not trying to win the war for Nude Aiko, that's pointless, you CAN have a nude Aiko in the galleries, I'm trying to win the war for the guys who aren't here anymore, because I'm using someone else's computer and yeah the temptation to post a sexy cute nude or bare breasted Aiko is there, right now I have someone who says "Don't post that, it's iffy"  and all but once I've listened to his advice...the irony of it all is that the guy who is always making sure I don't violate the TOS, is a guy who's been permantly banned.  If the situation were switched I think I would have pushed me to push the boundaries, but that's me.  

Oh yeah, the only good cat is a Thundercat!  Hoooooooooooo!

Captain Jack, that's ...super....the cat troops support you as well, as a matter of fact, they need you to come to Cuba,   Once there find the nearest US Army person and the code word is....everyone else turn around ....ok the code word is "I have a bomb your dirty american pig" at which time the nice army guy (cat trooper in disguise) will take pictures with you, sometimes they're a little rough...but you know how those cat guys are.  If you tall them at your Uncle Al sent them, last name Kada, you'll get a free stay!

ooh, that was bad LOL

Damn it, y'all started it, so I'm going to be the one to finish this once and for all!!!

People who love cats support columbian drug lords because anyone who is anyone knows that Cat's are the preffered mule for illicit drugs crossing our borders.  Yes, why do you think Cat's are called Mittens often, or you hear the saying Cat mittens?  Because like wearing gloves finger prints can't be traced...the crazy old woman with all those cats...she's not crazy, she's high and you people are supporting her!  
I'm disgusted!

As for Aiko and Girl...I'm sorry to say, no matter where she's posted naked someone is going to think she's a child unless they have pointy ears and wings, because fairies are ascosiated with young faces....just like, I don't know...Anime.  Except like Cats fairies are drug peddlers, pixie dust my booty, "Oh kids have some pixie dust and you can fly!" High as a kite, and then after dreams of Pirates and flying around, children find themselves in Columbian poppy fields.

There...and oh yeah Cat lovers...don't support the troops.

damn...and I was hoping for dirt like..."Boy is this guy a freakazoid or what?" thanks Jen, now how am I supposed to go to bed with no dirt to dish....man you don't support the troops either. 

Well it's Sunday night here and I gotta work early...and I'll be done with "not supporting the troops" since the weekend's over...gotta find a new thing tomorrow.....

Yup, you know lemur those are some interesting points?  I think that's all a little much as well, unless it's a matter of national security, now if the staff can make the connection between 9/11 and nekkid Aiko renders....then I support them.  If not they're abusing the power that congress gave them, because I don't see any WMD anywhere and even if they claimed to support the troops they're not because secret files on anyone is wrong.

Hey I recieved a warning can one of the Admins post all that transpired here?  So we can have an example of what goes on behind the scenes.

Lemur I'm not sure if you support the troops, but you support America and that's good!

But seriously post my warning and the secret conversation that went on.

Oh sorry for the multiple post thing, don't know what happened.

  because I support the troops Billy that's why! Because I support the troops!  I was just building on Bea's response.

that would still be finger pointing. the whole report thing is finger pointing.

I'm 50/50 on that image, so I can see how that went down perfectly.  

Note to other's yes, I'm actually agreeing with the Mods but hold on I still support the troops, watch

But like I stated before if I were to guess ages on images the one (not gonna be a finger pointer) in the marketplace would get the "younger".  But it's all a moot point because noone wants to finger point and it really isn't fair to the mods that we talk about these things if we're not willing to show them what we are talking about via the ways already addressed .

damn that's twice...do I support the troops, I'm scared...waitaminute I have a spin on this that will save me

Now if the Mods were God fearing Christians they would understand what I'm talking about.

whew, that was close, remember young republicans....when you find yourself agreeing with a democrat, you have to spin in the God fearing Christians bit, then you support the troops again, well that is while it's still a good thing to do so.

Bea- Just saw what you were talking about in the Marketplace (wasn't searching for it...just looking for stuff to buy) now I'm seeing your point very, very clearly and I wanna see this answer too.

Because looking at an email I just recieved, I'm scratching my head, because if I were to say what render is the older girl, I'd would have picked the one that got a member banned. Go figure.  

I think you were included on that email Stacy (well at least the email addy looks like you were) I don't want to out a vendor because I think the render is of age and really wish there was a way we could do the compare and contrast and you all pretend you didn't see it but that wouldn't be responsible on the part of a Mod, nor fair which is exactly what we're talking about. 

Smile everyone!!! Today is a super day to be alive!

I just saw the render, I just like a softer face, I did the side boob thing....oh Mods, question if you show no nipple, is it a nude?

Cruzin Edit I really, really like that render Crimson had to say it again, it's Sunday morning for me in Japan, but you've just given me inspiration on what I wanna cook up today.   Thank you :)

Crimson, how you made my big breast theory into something intelligent is an art unto itself.  I'm gonna IM you each time I have something crazy to say because, damn it I'm a believer.  

Oh and to everyone else....Crimson supports the troops!

I think your specific guidlines were really, really, specific and although simple, a little too much...just because when I render,  I render I take pains to make sure it looks adultish but your guidlines are hard but really, really good, just hard when one is "in the moment".  

Yet with all that, we still have lost more than a few members and one day I hope that those guys will be welcomed back to the flock.

Now that you've tackled Aiko...what about the Girl? 
Of course the guidelines haven't changed but I'd like to hear your thoughts on her.  I currently live in Japan and schoool uniforms are part of the day for me, for the region we live in I can tell the difference between, elementary, middle and high school, some schools you can tell what year of high school they're in by color, so I love your insights.

Sorry about the son, I have two girls, when they get sick, I get sick.  Gotta love it.  Oh yeah, and you don't support the troops either....I just like the way that sounds, I'm on my way to be a true republican.

Disagree with me? Well you don't support the troops.

Mad because I cut social security...well, you know what, you know what? You don't support the troops.

You support gay marriage....well I only support two men getting married (more for me that way...just kidding) but you don't support the troops.

Darth, you object to records being kept? Well they are there to protect us, I suppose you don't think we should watch our borders, what about terror attacks...oh we should just let them in and trample our borders, oh....you think the Empire should just take Luke's hand...you don't support the troops.

stacy you don't support the troops.  You're right I just read one string of replies, to the last TOS violation, not what transpired  in the past.  Yet, by the tone of the back and forth replies one can glean a lot, still he could have been an A hole in the past, the only basis I have to go on is that I know that person, have known him for several years off and on, so knowing what kind of person he is in his personal life, professional life, I'm lead to believe that there wouldn't be much of a difference between those two and his poser life.  In our line of work some people are totally differentl in personal and professional life, this guy isn't.  Now that I'm working directly under him (in the past I wasn't) there are differences but not in a negative way.  Aikofan is a big suporter of him because he is big on family and the time we three all worked in the same office it's werid to have someone work so hard to ensure that the wives are involved enough and being a wife, I'm sure Aikofan appreciated being treated as part of the team and not just "a wife".  That's where I base my opinions off of.

I'm interested in Market place renders, because I find them fully clothed as well when there could be an issue regarding age.

I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole Bea but once again let me play devils' advocate.  For the most part in the market place they are only show casing what a particular product is capable of.  
I think it is understood in that realm that Aiko in that setting has no definitive age.  In the galleries artist will take that to the extreme.   The intent is looked at closely in the marketplace and in my opinion not at all in the galleries.

My biggest fear is that the mods say "Ok, Aiko is anime" and a slew of naked Aiko renders pop up that are just boobies for boobies sake and not "art".

Renderosity is by far the best place for Poserheads and should never be Renderotica which is another place for Poseheads but with a different angle to it.   

Mods, I think there should be some clear definition on Aiko and Girl. I'm trying not post names but a venor here used to have a wonderful gallery and now...the works with Girl are gone because of what?  

On the "report button" issue, yes it should be there, the mods are only human but if someone says "look at this" here, well they just publically stated something rather than whisper in someone's ear.  (Just got off the phone with Aikofan)  She pointed something out that she saw wrong here, she was blasted because everyone said she was finger pointing well then wtf is the report button....a coward's way to finger point.  Yet there were so many people who called her a six year old (Mods included) for being brave enough to say what she thought and that artist would know who.  What's the difference?   (yeah it was a long talk)

I now have read the entire conversation between a mod and a banned user, including his plea to be let back...and I can say, I'm sorely disappointed in the attitudes of certain mods but I am further disappointed by his giving up on the issue and for at least not voicing his opinion here since he has another ID and I know that he reads this.  

Cruzin

Breast size...(the avatar takes over my mind..please forgive if I offend).   I think breast size is a good basis.....along with the overall render in question.  I like making bigger breasted anime charecters (Aikofan's biggest gripe with my stuff) because with a really cute face, it gives a cute/sexy look where it's not blatant sexual it's just fun.  When I do smaller chested charecters, I put extra effort into making them appear older, and try to have them clothed because small chest and cute face appears younger than 18 to the general mindset.  

Of course some say it's just men's particular perversion to render woman with larger than life breast but hey read that sentence over again "woman with larger than life breast"...breast a good indicator....yes, in my humble opnion, yup...good not great, because I'm sure some perv could put giant breast on Maddie and clothed or unclothed...I see that as just plain wrong and in very bad taste....key words "I see".

My biggest gripe with this whole thing is that I'm afraid to show breast in my renders and when you look through my gallery you will see me hit the nudity tag when there reaally is none because ot the material covering the breast.  I don't like being afraid to do something and posting it because of the charecter in question.  

Of cousre I can be tasteless too , but all in good fun. 
I think cause for banning is someone who post a blatent sexual image of a minor but that's hard to judge as well.

As for grading, ok, I give the mods a solid B, but I really think they should support the troops. None of them has said they have, they just say they haven't said they didn't...just messed up, mods, just messed up. LOL

Have a piggy day!