Vopehov506, Python 2 isn't coming back. 

Ever. 

It was EoLed in 2015 - it was supposed to be EoLed in 2010.

The only way the DS folks would come back is if Bondware developed a DS to Poser Bridge.  They could do it, using the DS to Blender bridge as a starting point (Apache license allows it).

The question is could Bondware put their ego aside to make it happen.

Because there wouldn't be any positive threads in it - and 'Rosity forum mods handle negativity about as well as the mods in Utah.

The "major" feature that Bondware has been hyping for Poser 13 was dropped.

Bondware can't/won't give us any information on what/if we are getting a new figure (based on the dropped "feature") that will be ignored by both vendors and the userbase.

The other (minor) things we know about aren't quantified, and the devs have made it clear they don't want to talk about it.

No point in having one until Poser 13 launches.

Project Evolution is a fantastic character, but it needs some work to convert the clothes, not sure that there's enough vendors willing to jump on board, which hurts its distribution.

Which can be said for every single post V4 figure released for Poser.

No one is bashing the engine, Graybeard. 

The issue is that there is no easy way to move legacy materials from firefly to superfly - and Bondware doesn't seem to understand why that is an issue.

The only people they seem to listen to are those that are only interested in doing pin up art.

They did it with Wardrobe Wizard, and I think plenty of people used it. I have no idea what they paid PhilC, but they must have paid him.

I loved WW.  It was the only way I could cloth any characters not named V4 or M4 for years.

Most endusers are LOAD, CONFORM, MAKE ART, Y-Phil.  It has been  like this since 2004 that I am personally aware of (Poser 5 was my gateway drug).

I don't care about the dev's feelings - I have a business relationship with Bondware, not a personal one.

Bondware pumped up unimesh as the main feature.  As an enduser I have no idea how this will impact my use of Poser, but the devs talked it up repeatedly as THE major feature for Poser 13.  30 days from launch, unimesh is now off the table, along with the new unimesh figure that was supposed to come with it.  We also haven't been told if this will show up later in the Poser 13 lifecyle because it isn't done or if it will move to the Poser 14 development cycle.

If it isn't ready, Bondware should consider pushing the launch back until it is.  This launch is starting to look a lot like the Poser 5 launch.  The userbase isn't going to have the stomach for dealing with that (again).

It isn't denigrating to ask why I should upgrade if the main feature isn't going actually be in the program.

It isn't denigrating to ask what other features (if any) are coming to the program.

It isn't denigrating to point out that so far, Bondware has done a really poor job at articulating what other new features are in Poser 13.  Nothing we have been told is quantifiable.

It is Bondware's responsibility to give us a reason to buy the program.

I am still buying Poser 13, of course - but I want to know what I am getting for my money.

Is the upgrade worth it is the $250 question.

No unimesh - no new unimesh figure.

In the run up, unimesh was the big selling point.  Now it is gone, and no one from Bondware can tell us what is now the big new selling point.

Improvements to Superfly isn't a big selling point when most of my content doesn't ship with Superfly materials, and I have yet to see a way to batch convert materials.  I have over 2Tb of content, and I have no intention of converting all of it one by one.

Bondware made this mess - they need to come up with a solution.

That is EXACTLY the problem, Rhia.

The stuff that is using Superfly is meh.

I don't do pin up art, so most of it is useless for me.

If bondware thought about it - they would either add a script that will batch convert firefly mats to superfly, or they could contract that out.

But, at the end of the day - they need something to do this otherwise, I don't see the point of Superfly.

Mighty bold of you to think that vendors are willing to learn any new features in Poser, randym77.  Historically, too many are aggressively uninterested in taking the time to learn new features - especially if the end users aren't willing to use them either.

Lighting/rendering has been an issue in Poser since at least Poser 5 that I am personally aware of.  The Poser team in the past worked under the assumption that Poser end users have a photography background.  That hasn't changed, apparently.

Until there is a 1-click firefly-superfly conversion process for ALL materials, superfly is irrelevant for a lot of users.

From my perspective - This isn't Poser 13. 

It is Poser 12.1.

If Tim thinks that SuperFly improvements are a major selling point - the Poser team isn't confident - they are delusional.  Most folks don't appear to use Superfly.

From my position - if the Poser team wants SuperFly to be a selling point, they need to support more than Nvidia graphics cards.  The Intel Arc series can outperform Nvidia cards in Blender - that open source tech needs to come to Poser.

Jensen has lost his mind if he thinks people are going to pay $500 for 8Gb 4070 cards.

If unimesh support has been dropped - then this feature need to be undeprecated.

They need to let us know about unimesh - is it just not going to be done in time, or has it been dropped.

If it has been pushed back because they can't get it done in time, that is one thing - if they have given up on it (after talking it up over the past year), yeah that is going to be a problem.

I must have been breathtakingly lucky then.  I used the feature a lot.

1 suggestion going forward - with the polygon reduction feature, for the love of Cthulhu add a percentage function.

I should not have to have a calculator open to use that functionality.

At some point, you have to let old tech go.

Release date for Poser 13 is 23 March.

Poser 12 will also let you use multiple RTX cards for rendering.

Get a used 3060 at a later date, & cut your render times by about a third.