hi again people,

i'm projecting to change my computer. and i think about one point :

With POSER7, Is a  rendering operation  speeder under 64bits than under 32bits (bot with 4BM and core2Quad CPU) ?

Then, in this case, is this faster under XP64 or Vista64  (same hardware and poser7) ?

any idea ?

maybe most of you could be interested in this 2 threads :

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2733837
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2732765

also, what could we add in the MUST DO list ?

i think of this :
Before make a final render, ALWAYS to do a PREVIEW render to be sure there is no tweak body part are go weird !! Yesterday, i wait 12 hours for a render of my animation, and when it done, i sweept (no but, i could do !!) because the head did strange moves in my animation :
http://www.dailymotion.com/mike_amiens_usa/video/x4pqzg_aikoscence-peut-danser_3d

What an unexpected broken neck i did !!! Poor pretty girl.

also,

new render jsut finished.

old one made 12 hours and 33 minutes to render 300 frames.
new one took 3 hours and 13 minutes

So, nearly a X4 factor whereas i expected 12x, 6x at least !!! So , render in Poser7 seems to be not lineared i guess !

it is strange the factor is smaller in animation render than single frame render; moreover resolution downpassed to 640x480 (1663x853 in single frame).
i would have think between the render of each frame, poser re-use some data from the previous one to compute the next one. but no.

maybe there is another task between each frame that i could have not expected (i remind you i didn't activate motion blur, and i don't think hard drive write system is this task).

Strange law of computer sciences.....
well i will check my financial account now....i hope with a QX9770 cpu, i will gain a x4 with the same quality oh the 12hours !

have a good weenk end !

yeah, i know the difference between the two picture is large. the quick render looks like a video game frame !
but, in the case, in the context, of a animation (in 640x480, not HD), do you think people care about this details ?

moreover, as you have the 2 picture in front of you, you could easyly show the difference. If you would see only the quick render, maybe you could be satisfied...

yes,
thanks for help.

i already know i could reduce texture size...but no, i can't because, i'm doing some closeup viewpoint in the animation like this one :
http://www.frenchcinema4d.fr/hub.php?doc=image&image=4986

so, to have a perfect zoom on her eye, i need a big texture...

i really wonder why poser don't use more of my memory !
my render is not finished yet (after 12hours), and only 300MB of memory are used !!!!

as, i said, in preview mode, Poser7 let me do what i want with my litlle ATI 2400HD.
a render in preview state is pretty instant !
but..

i want to render in Firefly...

Even with a great video card with best support of shader, lightning direct 3D..Etc, Poser render in firewly will stay at the same speed ? it is very pity (for me).
i don't want to make greater resolution (640x480 movie) is aceptable, just render better and faster.

What is strange , that only 300MB of memory are used (value displayed in task manager in windows xp), wheras i have 2GB of memory, for poser.exe process.
--> Is there a way to setup poser for using MORE of my memory to render faster ? It's a waste to see the quarter of my memory not in use !
Moreover, the HD light (and HD noise) don't look very busy too. My hard drive is not so using too.

another thing i just discover today :
before starting a "render make movie task" of long scene (300 frame), you MUST ASK YOURSELF

• HOW many time it shoud take my to my computer to render
• WILL i need to use my PC during the long render process
• IS my time rendering estimation be correct ?

Also, today, this morning (after preparing a scene yesterday evening), i start the rendering process of a animation of 300 frames, in 640x480 pixel.
I startd it at 9'oclock AM, just befor go working, so i thought it will take 3/4 hours to render the movie (i also made some tiime test).

but...

my time test will be done with nude character (just mat texture)....

and my new scene include 4 body clothes conforming with dynamic moves....

then....

5 hours after starting, the render process just complete 30% of the animation whereas i need to use my computer !!!

it looks like "david hasselof" when it learnt he would play only one episode of the new Knight rider tv serie !

yes, it's hurt !

Attached Link: Youtube video Thread for Poser7

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=poser7&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

Render TIME |   thread  |         CPU              |     MHz     |     RAM    |   OS                  |  User

1"57s             |    4          |  QX6700 (over)        | 3000      |    4GB    |   XP 64 bits     | Magoo
2"07s             |    4          |  Q6600 (over)          | 3200      |    4GB    |   XP 64 bits     | ghonma
2"10s             |    4          |  QX6700 (over)        | 3000      |    8GB    |   XP 64 bits     | pjz99
2" 11s            |    4          |  QX6700                   | 2670      |    4GB    |   XP 64 bits     | Magoo
2"15s             |     4         |   T7700                     | 2400      |   ????    |   Vista 64         |   adom
2"25s             |    4          |  Core2Extreme??  |  2800      |    2GB    |   MacOS           | MungoPark
2"46s             |    3          |     Q6600                  |  2400      |    4GB    |    XP 32            | xpac5896
3"                    |    4          |  Q6600                     |  2400      |    4GB    |   XP 64 bits     | ghonma
3"08s             |    4          |  E6600                     |  2700       |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits     | thefunkyone
3"21s             |    4          |  2x  Opteron 285    |  2600       |    8GB    |   XP 64 bits      | renderfred
3"56s             |    2          |  E6400  (over)        |  2320       |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits      | renderfred
5"40s             |    4          |  2x AMD X2 5200+ |   2610      |    4GB    |   Vista 64         | tastiger
5"50s             |    2          |  Pentium D960      |   3600      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits      | usamike
6"31s             |    1+HT  |  Pentium 4C            |  3400      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits      | renderfred
7"02s             |     3+HT |      P4                        |   3200      |    2GB    |   XP 32             | xpac5896
8"26s             |    1          |  Pentium D960      |   3600      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits      | usamike

hey maggo ! shall you explain me what is the green thing in upper picture ?
it looks like a.....hum....how can i mean..well...an alien with a human dick shape ! moreover it's got a frog skin !

Blackhearted, i'm pretty sure you're right.
i just felt on this projet, with some already result. so i forward it here.
at least, it's a samll kind of reference for beginner project in poser.

i'd be glad if someone (what about you) could build a projet with standart objects of Poser 7 sr2.1 (no addon, no daz3d addon, .no renderosity addon), just what is in the poser7 package.

cool

Render TIME  |   thread   |         CPU                 |     MHz     |     RAM    |   OS                  |  User

2"07s             |    4          |  Q6600 (over)          | 3200      |    4GB    |   XP 64 bits     | ghonma
2"10s             |    4          |  QX6700                   | 3000      |    8GB    |   XP 64 bits     | pjz99
2" 11s            |    4          |  QX6700                   | 2670      |    4GB    |   XP 64 bits     | Magoo
2"15s             |     4          |   T7700                    | 2400      |   ????    |   Vista 64         |   adom
2"25s             |    4          |  Core2Extreme??  |  2800      |    2GB    |   MacOS           | MungoPark
2"46s             |    3          |     Q6600                  |  2400      |    4GB    |    XP 32             | xpac5896
3"                    |    4          |  Q6600                     |  2400      |    4GB    |   XP 64 bits     | ghonma
3"08s             |    4          |  E6600                     |  2700      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits     | thefunkyone
3"21s             |    4          |  2x  Opteron 285    |  2600      |    8GB    |   XP 64 bits      | renderfred
3"56s             |    2          |  E6400                     |  2320ov  |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits      | renderfred
5"40s             |    4          |  2x AMD X2 5200+ |   2610      |    4GB    |   Vista 64         | tastiger
5"50s             |    2          |  Pentium D960      |   3600      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits      | usamike
6"31s             |    1+HT  |  Pentium 4C            |  3400      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits      | renderfred
7"02s             |     3+HT |      P4                        |   3200      |    2GB    |   XP 32             | xpac5896
8"26s             |    1          |  Pentium D960      |   3600      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits      | usamike

thanks all again.

now i'm pretty sur which CPU i need now !

oups! thanks for the mistake noticed !

So, here we are :

Render TIME  |   thread   |         CPU                 |     MHz     |     RAM    |   OS                  |  User

2"07s             |    4          |  Q6600 (over)          |   3200      |    4GB    |   XP 64 bits     | ghonma
2"10s             |    4          |  QX6700                   |   3000      |    8GB    |   XP 64 bits     | pjz99
2"15s             |     4          |   T7700                    |    2400    |   ????    | vista 64          |   adom
2"25s             |    4          |  Core2Extreme??  |   2800      |    2GB    |   MacOS           | MungoPark
3"                    |    4          |  Q6600                     |   2400      |    4GB    |   XP 64 bits     | ghonma
3"08s             |    4          |  E6600                     |   2700      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits     | thefunkyone
3"21s             |    4          |  2x  Opteron 285    |   2600      |    8GB    |   XP 64 bits      | renderfred
3"56s             |    2          |  E6400                     |   2320ov |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits      | renderfred
5"40s             |    4          |  2x AMD X2 5200+ |   2610      |    4GB    |   Vista 64          | tastiger
5"50s             |    2          |  Pentium D960      |   3600      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits     | usamike
6"31s             |    1+HT  |  Pentium 4C           |   3400      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits      | renderfred
8m26s             |    1          |  Pentium D960      |   3600      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits     | usamike

People you know, i have the hight frequency cpu amongst this playlist (3.6 GHz), and i have the almost worst render time too !
This results are very meanfull for me ! i understand the L2 cache memory is more important than the frequency and (maybe) more important than the number of cores.
The little E6400 render more quickly than my D960 with less frequency, same core, but more L2cache memory.

Now i know, if i will have a Q6600 cpu, i will gain twice time in my works. Last august i bought my CPU 150€. Now the hightest cpu is, QX96500 and its cost is 830€. And i'm pretty sure with it, i won't gain 6x time (it is 6x more expansive than my cpu).

I really wonder what will be the results on XEON cpu...Does anybody know someone who could perform benchmark?

So, i really wonder how and when i could really perform Poser7 without waiting some long nights rendering...
You can see my first tries there http://www.dailymotion.com/mike_amiens_usa
All my video are full of little weaks but i 'm tired to re-render them : too long....

So...i hope another results will be come here!

ps : sorry for my expression syntaxe error, i 'm not english, even not american, just French.

So, here we are :

Render TIME  |   thread   |         CPU                 |     MHz     |     RAM    |   OS                  |  User

2"07s             |    4          |  Q6600 (over)          |   3200      |    4GB    |   XP 64 bits     | ghonma
2"10s             |    4          |  QX6700                   |   3000      |    8GB    |   XP 64 bits     | pjz99
2"15s             |     4          |   T7700                    |    2400    |   ????    | vista 64          |   adom
2"25s             |    4          |  Core2Extreme??  |   2800      |    2GB    |   MacOS           | MungoPark
3"                    |    4          |  Q6600                     |   2400      |    4GB    |   XP 64 bits     | ghonma
3"08s             |    4          |  E6600                     |   2700      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits     | thefunkyone
3"21s             |    8          |  2x  Opteron 285    |   2600      |    8GB    |   XP 64 bits      | renderfred
3"56s             |    2          |  E6400                     |   2320ov |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits      | renderfred
5"40s             |    4          |  2x AMD X2 5200+ |   2610      |    4GB    |   Vista 64          | tastiger
5"50s             |    2          |  Pentium D960      |   3600      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits     | usamike
6"31s             |    1+HT  |  Pentium 4C           |   3400      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits      | renderfred
8m26s             |    1          |  Pentium D960      |   3600      |    2GB    |   XP 32 bits     | usamike

thanks again for continue ! don't hesitate to tell your friends !