Thank you Jaager, I was going to attempt one morph because I was given the impression that it was the only "proper" way. If you say it is often done with two or more, I am just going to put my effort on making two instead of making one work. I got the down motion working to at least 25 degrees on the down motion now. I am going to make a set of morphs now for her chest and collars for a rotation to 50 degrees up now like Jim Burton sugested. Also I understand now what you are saying about that figure 1 lable now. Took me a while. thank you, marty-insomniaworks

Okay, thanks everyone, this has been so much help. I have been using this thread like a text book and getting it worked out. I have a couple JCM's working, but still working on the fine adjustments. I have a couple more questions though. Jagger says "Whatever is in the line where " Figure 1 " is? This is under Poser's control. A user cannot put anything in here and make it stick. This is the source of cross-talk. It is vital that we have control of this, but CL is either not listening, or they lack the wit to do it right." My line says "swimsuit 3" where "Figure 1" is. I don't think he means change this does he, I am guessing what he means you can't add anything to it. Am I right? Also, what does the line "trackingscale" do? Do I need to be adjusting this also? And one more question. The JCM is working on one joint movement direction. How would I make it forinstance work only in the other direction? thank you very very much marty-insomniaworks

Yes, I read Jim Burtons comments again and he says he is using two different morphs for up and down. And I agree with spanki, I think I should let the limits go beyond 1. By the way spanki, hows everything going, long time no talk. I searched the MP for Jim Burton's Ingenue Vickie, I was considering buying it and studying the code in his cr2, but I can't find it. Anyone know where it is?

Wow, this is more information than I have found anywhere on the web. I am going to read it all again later and study it and try to get things right. I have already formed chest and collar morphs that work great. To make a long story short, I did this by grouping my entire model back into one group making the morphs with magnets and remapping it once again with uvmappro to seperate groups and then saving morphs and installing them into the original model. I have made the morphs so that a 1 setting is good for 20 degrees down motion in the collars. I don't think that any natural pose would go below that. But, I guess you already guessed, hehehe, that the morph does not work in the up positions. I know the question is already has probably been answered here if I study everything that has been said well enough. But I will just ask it anyway, can I use a JCM morph for the down motion and a seperate one for the up motion??????? thank you, marty-insomniaworks

Yeah, yeah, easy, hahaha. I have tried this before I read your reply. I have created morphs for collars and chest and they are very tight fitting like you said. These morphs were created to conform to her when her collar yrot is down by 20 degrees. I havn't got the JCM working properly yet, I have been using cr3edit and a tutorial I have found on using it to install JMC. The JMC still does not seem to be working though. Also I have noticed that I am having trouble with raising the collar instead of lowering. Although the morphs work great in the collar and chest for down motion, they don't work for up motion. It almost seems as though I have to make a different morph for the up motion. So far it is very fustrating. I am considering releasing this product with manually controlled morphs now and seperate morphs for up motion and down motion in the collar. frankly this all sucks big time. thank you, marty-insomniaworks

Yes, you are right, it is turning off the JCM, that is why it is working. Okay, so I have to add the JCM, could I get some help in installing them. How do you make morphs that include the chest as well as the collar? Are there any tutorials written about installing these JCMs in vicki3 clothing?

Hey Movitz, realism sells, it is a measure of quality I feel. Realism is also the measure of how far 3DModeling has evolved. Also, 3dModeling has so many applications, only one being souly for art. How about gaming and virtual reality for instance. I can make ugly fat men and woman easy with the basic packages sold for Victoria 3.0. (I aleady have) marty-Insomniaworks

Hey, Emiliano Zapata I am not going to stop modeling for Renderosity. By no means, afterall, there are ownly 2 sex organs to model. There is soon to come out a series of clothing for vicki3. I am having some UV mapping issues to iron out before you see them out there though. Give me a week or two. I will consider what you said about a different market place for sex organs, but for now I am putting all my effort into the getting some quality clothing in the MP. marty-insomniaworks

"Marty knew that his product would probably offend people, and hed probably get complaints, even tho he tried his best to stay within guidelines." Honestly, I didn't forsee complaints, especially after Perfect G has been out there for about 4 months. I also didn't have to to my best to stay within guidelines either, because I did stay within guidelines. There was no effort involved. I don't really believe that anything was overlooked by the Renderosity Staff either, such as the product type or the advertising. My guess is that they were willing to take a risk on it just as I was and new full well what it was being marketed and what was in the advertising material. But, I am also sure that the Staff at Renderosity don't want this controversy, I know I wouldn't. My guess is they will let this product stay in the market place and be extra cautious of what they let into the market place in the future. I don't blame them for that now.

Thank you for your help jagger, I am going to bookmark this thread and comeback to it when I need to. thanks marty-insomniaworks

Oh, thank you so much for your support illusions, and the praise you gave my product. It was really a lot of hard work and I am proud that I made it. I had planned to build G3II in the next 6 months, this one would be twice as good as the first, but don't know anymore. marty-insomniaworks

Well good news for you all the few poeple that have complained. I just got an email from ClintH, he was nice but, he said the male Genital that is almost finished will probably not be aloud in the market place. I probably will not market it anywhere else either. I think I could use some support here. Did anyone send ClintH letters that supported me or were they all bad? thank you, marty-insomniaworks