tonyvilters posted at 6:18PM Sat, 23 June 2018 - #4332247

OK, let us finish this off here and now. YES: Poser is dead, buried, underground, obsolete, by-passed, deleted, removed, bought, fired, knifed, shot.

If I did not know any better? Kids in a kindergarden fighting over some candy.

Oh, and before we go to alternatives?

ANYTHING with an "I" is overhyped and overpaid by definition. => It is in the "genes of the "I". And a "DS" is a French car build in the 50-60's by Citroen in France.

Ok, let's move on now.

Haha, the "kindergarden" term. I am walking among those mortals for about 50 years ;-) and I've never seen anything more, than "Kindergarden".

Poser is not dead, just drunk and asleep and full of puke on its shirt somewhere in an alley way. So time for a therapy. But there won't be help as long the patient does not accept help. To bad the closest friends of that patient don't see a reason for help either.

I really hope, this SM-Poser crisis will result in a totaly revamed new Poser. No rush, leave time, but it should be realy good. Poser needs first class native figures with realistic joint bendings, auto fit and a geograft technology. if they introduce a render engine, they need to update the shaders with it. Poser 11 pro appears like digging out an old app from before 2008. Users and Vendors are part of the Poser promotion, if they want or not. Sticking with Vicktoria 4 is part of the Poser crisis. It just seems Poser users don't want new stuff. So really looking at the freebe section seeing all those V4 stuff obviousley rendered with the Poser 4 render engine just gives me an eyeroll. Hivewire website with all its promos looks like the DAZ shop back in 2002. If an app and its comunity is not progressing foreward, than it is time to have an new app. Sm is selling you the same stuff over and over again. Where is the new stuff? No new rigging joint bending technology. All they put in there, are free stufff modules. Cycles renderer, bullet physiks and GoZ. if you purchase IRay, you have to pay, Cycles, you can have free with blender. No, SM has gone lazy and leans back while taking your money. I'd like to see Poser becoming a real proffessionell tool, not a children's app as it is today and I'd like to be taken serious as an artis with demands by the software company. If that does not happen, Poser will die and it will be an inside job, don't blame DAZ for it.

ssgbryan posted at 1:47PM Fri, 22 June 2018 - #4332190

It has gone off topic because we can ALWAYS count on DS users to come into Poser threads to tell Poser users that they need to jump on DS cash merry-go-round. We don’t pollute the DS threads, but DS users don’t have a problem disrupting ours. And the moderators don’t seem to mind either. Which is why fewer and fewer people are participating in the Poser forums. The regulars at both the SM forums and the Hivewire forums used to be regulars here.

That is rubbish. DS users come here to exolain, why they went over to DS. It explaines, where SM made mistakes. Most DS users are former mostley disapointed Poser users. They've got into this hobby with Poser. This is, why they are still here. Although split up years ago, Poser is like an ex-lover you can't let go.

[ssgbryan]

The biggest difference between the current DAZ figures and other figures is that the DAZ figures have an entire cottage industry built around fixing the flaws of the product.

Ah here we go. something SM urgently needs to fix.

I hope SM follows the DAZ path and produces its own figure (like genesis) system, that is solid, by making auto fitting clothes and life like joint bending possible. That would be helpful.

O.k I'm sorry. It is not whatI suspected to be. I was thinking, that you've used the path Tracer. PT does not support instancies.

What render mode are you using?

I use IRAY excluslivley. Iray was one of my two reasons too switch over to DAZ Studio. I never liked 3dlight.

Maybe they build something big, as an apology for Poser 11.

HakDragon posted at 8:27PM Wed, 09 May 2018 - #4329714

I still use Victoria 4 because I helped create her. ;)

Can you tell us more about it, please?

Galleries -> "Upload Your Art". They've updated Rendo, so all new. Took me a while too.

The real cr*p happening in Poser forums is, they act like in a cult. Don't post your opinion, that does not go with the crowd and you are accused to be a troll as part of the evil DAZ conspiracy. That is just crazy. Actually I think, the decay of Poser came with those V4 only users. They brought Poser down. They don't care about how well their figure is, they don't see, that V4 bends like a piece of dry wood and is therefore only useful in portraits. The V4 users mantra is: "I bought so much stuff, I won't switch." Then why should SM invest in really improving Poser? Why would they release cool figures, when that crowd is still using V4 only? SM can lean back and sell the same stuff over and over again including some free modules every new version as a tease. For the majority of the V4 people Poser 7 mostley would be enough. @ Karina: your Sasha 16 is amazing and awsome - small problem still, she is about 10 years late. A product like this released in 2008, I might have become a V4 user too. last but not least, I just can't stand all those V4s in the galleries anymore. yawn Beside some small amount of real good examples, the majority is ... well... below "expected skill level". Use more than those unbalance pregiven one shin up poses. Stop those "one eye blink tongue out" expressions. No more fairies on a mushroom, please. Light set up are a cool thing that People urgently shoul think about. Seriousley, it's a PITA to watch the e.g. DeviantArt galleries using V4. Go drop V4, it won't hurt. There are two new kids on the block to play with. Bella and Project Evolution. You can even convert your V4 stuff to PE now. Now with my comment, twolf359 and Male_M3dia don't look as much like Trolls anymore, isn't it? so yeah, I'm glad I could help.

Poser Pro 11 has been a big waste of money for me. i was an earley adopter, thinking,that it might support features of projectE, but PE was delayed and it turned out, that it work as nicley in PoserPro2014. PoserPro11 is pretty much useless to me. None of the rarley new features seem helpful within my workflow. On top of all, I feel kind of cheated. Bullet Physics is told to be free, GoZ comes free, cycles Render is free with Blender, but SmithMicro makes you pay for it by putting all this into Poser. I will uninstall my Poser11Pro too, and I will upgrade never again. Bye,bye SM.

Looks good, don't like navigation. Please, one click access to Forum, Gallery and Marketplace.

I wonder, where are all those vendors? There are only Karanta and Biscuits supporting PE. Sad, so sad.