Oh, about those .dat files.... were they in the figures folder?

If so I believe they are joint data for the universal poses. They are sets of poses that are supposed to work on almost all of the figures availiable. There are a few other .dat files for uninstallation. so I would be a little warey of deleting stuff. Since I'm still too poor for Poser Pro 2010, I'm stuck with Poser 7. But I have 230 .dat files in my Poser folder and they may be needed if I wanted to convert a v4 pose to work with Sydney or any other figure, because their joints are different. That's what most of those .dat files are for.

Opps. Hborre answered while I was typing.

This may seem like a silly question, but are you loading v4 in the setup up room? That's what I gather from the pics. You will only get the bones if the cr2 is loaded in there.

The Setup room is for creating new Poser figures from scratch from an imported mesh. Say you made an article of clothing in a modeling progam for v4 then import it into Poser and then into th Setup room to add v4's bones by clicking v4's cr2. Usually you want to be in the Pose room when you load stuff from the library.

Thank you for the reply Richard.

Actually I ran the DzCreateExPFilesv4.bat in my Daz Studio runtime, located in My Documents. That's where I keep all y generation 4 figures and accessories. I ran the one on my desktop, which was pointed at the correct bat file and that didn't solve the problem. So I ran the script directly from the !Daz folder and that didn't fix it either. So for some reason on my machine neither were working properly. First I renamed the !Daz folder in my then and the cr2. Finally that cured my problem. I decided to delete those files since I really wasn't using them anyway. V4 has been back to normal for over a month.

As I said before, what was really puzzling me was that the first time I loaded V4 in Poser, she would load as Victoria 4 Base without morph channels. I would start a new scene and she would load with the morph channels showing. I couldn't even add A4,G4 or Stephanie since V4 loaded without morph channels.

Another point, if I loaded any of the add on figures directly from their cr2s, I would end up with something that looked as if I was combining figures such as V4's body with A4 head and V4 eyes. Thats's what lead me to believe I had a conflict somewhere on my machine. Somehow Poser was reading the Carrara cr2 and not the Studio cr2 since the Carrara cr2 was a base figure. For some explicable reason on the second try, it would read the correct one.

I'm almost sure it was a Poser problem, but everything from the bat file links to the cr2 were pointing to the correct files. All I know is after I rename those files everything went back to normal. It had to be the way Poser reads relative runtimes compared to Daz Studio. I've read some where that if a file isn't referenced correctly Poser will look for the next closest one with that name. And since Carrara's runtime is in Program files, it may have grabbed that one. I still have my Poser 4 runtime on my machine and if I look at the file properties in P3dO, P4 woman uses the p4nudewoman.obz file from Poser 7 rather the p4nudewoman.obj file in my Poser 4 runtime. Seems strange doen't it? I'm just so used to absolute file paths that I just automaticaly think that way.

That's why I became so confused. Everything installed and worked perfectly for me. I only ran into problems after running the initialization script to register the new EXP morphs. As I said before, inbetween the time I installed V4 and morphs++ to my machine and the shoulder fix, I installed Carrara. That installed a second v4 to my system. Funny thing is, I don't remember having a popup reminding me to initialize that one. Since I really never used Carrara's built in library, I never knew it was in there.

Things were running happily along for months and I was blissfully unaware of what was going to happen after I ran the script again. I for one do read the readmes to insure everything is installed as its supposed to be. There isn't anything in there about a conflict with other versions of Victoria 4. Of course it could be a Win7 problem too. All my runtimes are in My Documents except the Carrara runtime which I never knew existed until recently. I hardly even use Carrara. I think the last time I used it, my daughter wanted me to make her an award for learning her bike and was just playing with it to see how well it rendered. I really haven't done much else with it.

I'll give Daz credit for thier support crew. They have always been quick to respond to me if I have a problem. But with different computer configs and and OSs, it can be hard to pinpoint a problem. At that point all you can do is listen to the advice and eliminate the possibilities one by one.

The only drawback is if you add new Exp morphs, the saved cr2 won't accept them. Only the original Victoria 4 cr2 will, making you go through the process all over again.

Elfwine, I know what you mean. I was using Poser 4 up until a few month ago when they were selling Poser 7 for $39. I'm still figuring thing out. You don't know how many times I was totally confused with all the new features. But thanks to people like BagginsBill, Les Bentley and the rest of the gurus, things are really coming together now.

One thing I found interesting is that, while I was having trouble with V4 in Poser, she would load perfectly in Daz Studio using the morphloader. Hmmmm... I'm not pointing fingers but, if something is advertised to work a certain way, it should. I understand Daz is in business and makes it money on add-ons for its base figures and software that are given away for free. But purchased content should work in the programs specified. I don't want a refund, I want it to work as promised. I happen to prefer Poser over Daz Studio. I like prefer Posers renders over Daz Studio and I can save scenes in Poser that port over to Daz fairly easilly (except material room shaders). But Daz to Poser isn't possible without other utilities and scripts.

I'm sure Daz is aware of the problem... Try googling morph++ won't work. It's probably too late to fix the problem now anyway. Let's just hope for better next time or of course we could just use one of the other figures. Unfortunatly if you a content creator and want to make any money, you have to go with the current star and right now it's Victoria 4.

I'm done ranting now

One Quick note.... I didn't have any problems with M4 and morphs++ as there was only one instance of his cr2 is installed on my machine.

One major problem is you can't have any other !DAZ folders or other Victoria 4 cr2s on your machine as it messes up the initialization process. I found that out the hard way.

Everything was working perfectly until I decided to install an EXP fix for V4's armpits. Went and re-initialized V4 as per the instructions and broke her. I loaded V4 and it only showed up as a Base figure. I added her morphs and nothing, I couldn't even add any of the A4,S4,G4 morphs!

Okay, started a new scene and Loaded everything again. This time they took. What the heck!!!!! Okay, now I closed Poser 7 and tried again...... same outcome. By now I'm slightly ticked and I decide to save a new cr2 with all the morphs and closed Poser. Restarted Poser and loaded my new cr2.... Yay it worked, but I'm still not happy. The worst part is all the advice I got was that you have to reinstall V4. Huh??? She worked fine before, why now?

Skipping forward 1 week and 3 reinstalls, I began to wonder what was causing this erratic behavor and dug through my hard drive and couldn't find anything amiss. Finally, it dawned on me that I had installed Carrara 6 Pro on my system which has its own Runtime with a base Victoria 4.1 cr2 which is supposedly optimised for Carrara. Also there was another !DAZ folder for EXP morphs. I deleted both and low and behold V4 loads the way she used to.

For some stupid reason whenever I loaded V4 in Poser it would refer to the !Daz folder in Carrara and not where I had installed her, picking up just the base figure. Now surely someone somewhere knew this. But why isn't anyone told, DON'T HAVE 2 Victoria 4 CR2S OR 2 "!DAZ" FOLDERS ON YOU SYSTEM? I didn"t know that the Carrara installer was going to install another V4 on my system.

You can save her out with a different name though, just not Victoria 4.